Talk:List of airlines

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1 Turkey
2 Sorted by sovereign States
3 Republika Srpska in the list
4 Helicopters
5 Response to RfC
6 Instantnood and Huaiwei
7 AJ Air of Malaysia?

[edit] Turkey

Turkey is in continental Asia.

Turkey is partially in Asia and partially in Europe. The Asian part is bigger, I guess by population as well as area. I think Russia would have a larger population in its European part. But really I don't see why this list needs to be classified by continent, when airlines are not exactly constrained by such boundaries. ( 19:12 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Basically agree. Economic ties (which is also largely affected by geography) is more relevant than boundaries of continents. — Insta ntnood 10:15, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Probably for no other reason then helping to create a more manageable list. And yes, I would classify turkey under Asia too.--Huaiwei 10:18, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Difficult question. The accession of Turkey to the EU will make it more complicated. Fortunately it's still long time to go. :-D — Insta ntnood 10:47, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

It is indeed difficult, but as far as geographic regions are concerned, Turkey is still largely considered Asian. Until major atlas publications around the world start listing Turkey as European and not Asian, wikipedia should not be the one making definitions for them.--Huaiwei 16:38, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sorted by sovereign States

This begins with User:Huaiwei's edit to move Hong Kong and Macao under the PRC [1], (and Greenland under Denmark [2] on the list of national airlines). While I don't entirely agree with it, for consistent sake I moved all non-sovereign entities (e.g. Guam, Cayman Islands, Faroe Islands) to their corresponding sovereign States. Comments and opinion are welcome on whether they should be sorted by country (the general sense of the meaning of "country"), or by sovereign States, as it is at the time being. See also talk:list of national airlines#Sorted by sovereign States. — Insta ntnood 10:15, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Meanwhile if there is any dependent territory which is not generally part of their corresponding sovereign States, please modify it accordingly (e.g. the Cayman Islands is not listed under "United Kingdom" but "Overseas territories of the United Kingdom"). — Insta ntnood 10:20, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

The most important thing surely is the ease of finding the country (however you define it). The majority of users wouldn't know how to find a country through its sovereign state, but would expect to see it listed in the area it belongs. Ardfern 19:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I noticed most of these edits on this list, except for Hong Kong and Macao, were undone, but grouping under sovereign states is still an ongoing event being done by user:Huaiwei on other lists by countries. — Insta ntnood 07:42, 21 September 2005 (UTC) (modified 17:11, 23 September 2005 (UTC))

I agree, they should be listed under their soverign state, with a heading for the country/area itself. --

Spinboy 17:03, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm fine with both ways, as long as it's a community consensus, and is applied to all current lists by country on Wikipedia (with the title renamed from ..by country to ..by sovereign state if necessary). — Insta ntnood 17:11, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Quite curious, but was there concensus to undo what was done before whereby entities were grouped according to sovereign state? --Huaiwei 17:28, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps not.. but that's obviously a norm, if not unwritten conventions, for lists by countries (note: countries ≠ sovereign states) on Wikipedia to be presented in this way, until some started targeting at Hong Kong and Macao. — Insta ntnood 17:39, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

"unwritten conventions"? Seems like a paradox in itself.--Huaiwei 18:17, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Republika Srpska in the list

I think Republika Srpska should be removed from the list, since it is not an independent country. However, dependencies such as the Faeroe Islands should be kept on the list because the Faeroes are very autonomous. "Air Srpska" should be put into the list for Bosnia and Herzegovina.

[edit] Helicopters

A debate from Template talk: Airlines of Canada. Are helicopter companies airlines? There was one listed on here, but I removed it. -- Spinboy 06:57, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

As the other side of the debate, I believe scheduled helicopter companies are airlines (though there are an incredibly low number of such companies), as they transport people through the air. HeliJet was listed here (and incidentally does provide some fixed wing passenger service but this isn't the majority). Ben W Bell 07:38, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

It is the opinion of the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Airlines that they are an airline if they have an IATA code. Ben W Bell 07:11, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

So what about all the airlines that have ICAO codes only?? There a very large number in the List. Ardfern 18:58, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

My mistake, it goes for ICAO codes as well I just forgot to mention that. Ben W Bell 07:01, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Response to RfC

There has not been a clearly stated discussion on this page for a few months, but given the edit history I assume that the question is whether territories such as Greenland and Hong Kong, which are part of a larger country such as Denmark or China, should be listed alphabetically or directly under their home country. I favor an alphabetic listing - reading through the list, I would either expect to see Hong Kong based airlines within the China list or, most likely, alphabetically under H. Having H after China but before East Timor seems out of place to me! InvictaHOG 07:03, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I would think this discussion is not so much about where someone would expect an entry to be, but why this expectation arises. If there is a preference for one display option, please do indicate the reasoning behind it as well. Thanks! ;)--Huaiwei 17:19, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I like the current arrangement of listing territories separately, but there should be more pointers like the one that points from China to Hong Kong and Macau. Every country should point to it's territories and vice-versa. ironcito 04:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Instantnood and Huaiwei

I've banned you both from this article, it is quite obvious it is in order, you both continue to revert each other with comments being made in edit summaries instead of where they belong -- on the talk page. You haven't posted anything here in over two weeks yet continue to revert each other, hence, I'm banning you both from editing this one. --Wgfinley 05:24, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Guy. This is actually discussed above, but user:Huaiwei has failed to accept the outcome. — Insta ntnood 20:34, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

And what was the outcome?--Huaiwei 10:56, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AJ Air of Malaysia?

I never heard about AJ Air before. Last time I was in KL, the only airlines operate out of KUL are Air Asia and MAS. And if this airline did exist, it should mention in news, but I couldn't find anything about AJ Air in news. I think this is just another vandalism. Please remove it.141.213.66.173 06:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

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