Talk:List of Welsh Americans

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Someone needs to kick this off. Do we mean Welsh emigrés to the U.S. or do we include native Americans of Welsh extraction? What about Frank Lloyd Wright, (architect) and D. W. Griffith (movies) for starters? Bobby Jones? (golfer). Any others? Ynysgrif 12:36, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Going by practice elsewhere and common sense, we would include both of those because they are both of Welsh origin (whether themselves or their family) but currently US citizens (and therefore probably would describe themselves as Welsh Americans). Obviously everyone has a bit of everything in them, so we probably want to mainly try to include people who have half or more Welsh blood (whatever that means).
Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 23:42, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

John Evans and Roger Williams (at least) need disambiguation. See Wiki-links. Ynysgrif 02:12, 29 Dec. 2005 (UTC)

--Yes, the Wick. Category:Welsh-American list, and others, need to be reconciled with this one. --Welshness is a state of being:I go for all "origins": birth, extraction & attraction! Pob Hwyl!! --Does Jimmy WALES (Wick-creator) see himself as "Welsh" ???? Anybody know? User:Dafyddw 03/11/06

  • The category is a category for articles about people and this is a list of people. If there is an article on a Welsh American, that article should be (first and foremost) added to the category; however, this list can include people without articles and include additional information about the individuals (which might be helpful for people who want to find out certain sorts of examples of Welsh Americans), such as when they were alive, what their profession was, whether they emigrated from Wales themselves, how Welsh they are, &c.
  • Not sure how you would decide whether someone was attracted to Wales or what counts as attraction? Sounds rather arbitrary and unencylopedic IMO.
  • That is an interesting point. I assume names such as Wales and England (as in Lynndie England) used in the US usually belong to people whose ancestors came from those nations. Maybe Jimbo is really a Welshman...
Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 23:42, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Proposed Move

Hopefully this is uncontroversial. I propose moving Welsh-Americans to List of Welsh Americans because:

  1. it is a list (see WP:NC#Lists);
  2. The main article is unhyphenated (at Welsh American) as is the general practice for `national-origin American' on Wikipedia.

When this is done Welsh-Americans should redirect to Welsh American.

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 13:47, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Rhion 15:24, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

I have sourced the list in accordance with Wikipedia's No Original Research and Verifiability policies. Basically, anyone described by a reliable source as "Welsh" or "Welsh-American" (i.e. as opposed to "of Welsh descent", "Welsh mother", etc.) is on the list. Here are the people I couldn't find anything for. If you have a reliable source only that fits that please restore the names:

[edit] Politicians

[edit] Entertainment

  • Tim Burton - no evidence
  • Tom Hanks - no evidence
  • John Lithgow - no evidence
  • Harold Lloyd - no evidence
  • Denise Richards - no evidence
  • Julia Roberts - her father had distant Welsh ancestry
  • Susan Sarandon - the shakey sources that say her father was Welsh are quite incorrect (no surprise). [13] correctly states "Her parents were Catholics, her mother of Italian/Sicilian extraction, her father a Celt: "Irish, Welsh and English". No evidence that she has been described as Welsh-American
  • Kevin Spacey - no evidence. The only good sources say his great-great-grandfather had a Welsh last name. That's all

[edit] Other

  • Howard Hughes - industrialist, aviator and one time RKO movie mogul - no evidence
  • Samuel Jones - which Samuel Jones? article did not say
  • Tommy Lee - his father is described in some trivia sites as Welsh-American. Nothing on Tommy Lee
  • George Marshall - military leader/Secretary of State - no evidence. Wiki article lists him as Scottish-American
  • Lowell Thomas (1892 – 1981) writer/broadcaster - no evidence
  • Norman Thomas (1884 - 1968) socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America - no evidence
  • Roger Williams - which Roger Williams?

Mad Jack 06:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

its seems like anyone who seems to have even a slightly Welsh sounds name or picked a daffodil is being claimed as Welsh American within this article Vintagekits 22:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Although some of Harold Lloyd's ancestors are from north east of England, it is obvious by his surname that he must have some Welsh ancestry. Pontsticill 21:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Dave_Mustaine#User:Jack_O.27Lantern

Accumulation of evidence gathered there on the background of Dave Mustaine. IP Address 14:23, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

What evidence? There isn't a single source that says Dave Mustaine himself has any Welsh ancestry, much less that he is a Welsh-American. Please fine a reliable source that says exactly that. We don't go around connecting the dots to reach the conclusion we would most like to see Mad Jack 16:09, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
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