Talk:List of The Office (US) episodes

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List of The Office (US) episodes is part of WikiProject List of Television Episodes, which aims to improve, standardize, and guide episode lists on Wikipedia.

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Contents 1 Season 3 Episodes Discussion 2 Webisodes 3 Modelled on List of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation episodes 4 Listing Ep Numbers Sequentially Across Seasons 5 Style Guide 6 Episode pictures 7 Screenshot Size 8 Duplicate Image 9 Table format 10 Wikipedia's policies on episode lists 11 Infobox 12 The Secret 13 Screenshots as fair use 14 Image spoilers? 15 Season 3 has 25 episodes? 16 Season 3 production codes 17 Season 3 in general

[edit] Season 3 Episodes Discussion

According to the NBC press release [1] the premiere is indeed "Gay Witch Hunt", as someone already added. If you find any others from NBC or a reliable source, feel free to add it to the list but if you don't know what episode number it is, just put TBA. Thanks- Puppet125 01:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Changed this, but "Grief Counseling" and "Initiation" have been switched, so Grief Counseling will air next week, possibly followed by Iniation, I'm not completely sure.

[edit] Webisodes

The section on this summer's webisodes say that Michael won't be in any of these episodes, as events in the season finale will render it inappropriate for him to appear. However, I didn't really see anything that showed why Michael wouldn't be in the office this summer. I mean, obviously Steve Carrell probably has to work on other projects, but from a plot perspective, I don't see how it works quite yet...

Jenna Fischer stated this as the reasoning in her blog this past week. I'm not sure either, but it's from the mouth of a cast member, so I trust he won't be in them.Williamnilly 22:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Question: I've been wondering. Since the webisodes take place between Season 2 and 3, should they be moved there or should they remain separate from the episode list? Discuss. Williamnilly 22:32, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

So should I change it or not? - Puppet125

At first I thought it would be a good idea, but now I think it makes sense to leave it separate (the format of the seasons will look better with them running together in order rather than putting the big webisode chunk in there). Just as long as its clear that the webisodes take place between the second and third seasons, it's fine. Pele Merengue 15:19, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, this is starting to become an issue. I've moved the webisodes back again to the bottom of the page, where I think they should stay for now. This page is called List of The Office (US) episodes, not List of The Office (US) media (a la List of The Simpsons media). It's already sketchy that we have the webisodes listed here; we should at least keep them separate since they're not official network episodes. They're a completely different media outlet. If you think there should be a media page, by all means, start one. (The 2006 Prime Time Preview info would finally have a home, too.) But stop moving them without discussing your rationale. Williamnilly 06:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

What is that function that when you click a link it brings you to a certain part of the page? I believe the character page uses it, when you click on a name in the box at the bottom. We should put one of those between 2 and 3, stating this is where the webisodes are and then have it link down there.Puppet125 19:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Modelled on List of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation episodes

I took the CSI ep list as a model. However, I have made a few "improvements" (?).

1. The episode names are contained in quotation marks, which I believe should be the standard here on Wikipedia as it is elsewhere. That is, ep titles in quotation marks and program titles in italics.
2. Changed the column span of the description so that it fills the entire table width.
3. Changed "pic" to "screenshot," as that is the common Wikipedia term. Hopefully,someone with the first-season DVD can start snagging screenshots. Otherwise, we should use a filler image.
4. Did not make the ep title into a wiki link. Seems unlikely that there would ever be articles based on individual titles. Maybe I'm wrong about that?

Any other suggestions for formatting? Also, at this point, the main article does not link to this list. I think we should get the format set and fill in the data before doing so. --Jeremy Butler 12:58, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Nice work. I have the first season DVD and all but two episodes of the second season saved on my DVR, so grabbing a screen from each episode should not be difficult. As I stated in the main article's talk page, I'd like to have an overview of each episode, kind of like what NBC.com puts up, but that's definately not a priority. Let's work on getting all of the episodes listed here first. Jtrost 15:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Listing Ep Numbers Sequentially Across Seasons

In the main Office article, we started the second season episode numbers with "one." I think more common practice is to number them sequentially across seasons--thus showing the total number of eps. So, Season Two should begin with "seven." Any opinions? --Jeremy Butler 13:43, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I thought that each season started over at one. That way it's easier to reference episode numbers (like 2.01, 2.02, etc...). See the episode guides for Lost and Nip/Tuck. Jtrost 19:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I can see going either way with this. Or going BOTH ways--as they do on epguides.com! --Jeremy Butler 13:07, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I prefer starting the episode count over with each new season. Considering there is a total count at the top of the article showing the total number of eps isn't that important anyway. I've always preferred it this way, but that's just my opinion. By the way, is The Injury actually showing on Christmas? I was under the impression that The Office was finished until January. Mrtea (talk) 19:46, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Style Guide

There is a Episode list style guide, but it's not very extensive. I think the format we've come up with fits it pretty well. --Jeremy Butler 18:55, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Episode pictures

I started adding screen captures for each episode. So far I have done 2.01, 2.02, 2.03, and 2.05. My DVR didn't record episode 4 or 8 correctly, so if someone else can get screen captures of those that would help. I tried to find one scene in each episode that summed up the story, so if you looked at that one screen you would instantly remember what the episode was about. Jtrost 19:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I doubt James over at northernattack.com would mind if we stole a few of his nicely captured shots. Maybe if we added an external links section saying, "Some of the above screenshots are taken from this site" sort of thing. I'll try to get a few captures. Mrtea (talk) 02:41, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Good work, Jtrost! And I'll drop James an email requesting permission. --Jeremy Butler 13:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

James told me in an email, "Absolutely, no problem. Anything to help out The Office community." He didn't specify what credit, if any, he'd like. I think probably putting a note in the External Links would be sufficient. --Jeremy Butler 21:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi guys, I just added some pictures for the Episodes 2-6 from Season 1. Feel free to change them if you have any more appropriate (or just plain funnier) shots. Wikipedia brown 05:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I quite enjoy the one of the box. Good picks all 'round! --Jeremy Butler 13:21, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! I think the box is the most memorable part of that episode. Oh yeah, I also realized that every screenshot that I took has Dwight in it. He's my fave. Wikipedia brown 05:56, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

• For anoyone uploading screenshots, make sure you tag your image with {{film-screenshot}} [edit: see note below] -Mrtea (talk)

Good idea, but I've been trying to encourage the use of a new screenshot template specifically for TV: {{television-screenshot}}. [edit: see below] The {{film-screenshot}} template has some terms in it that do not apply to TV. --Jeremy Butler 13:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Right on. If people can, they should use yours. Mrtea (talk) 19:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I found a TV-specific template, thanks to Mrtea! It's {{tv-screenshot}} . Be sure to use it on all your TV screenshots! --Jeremy Butler 20:41, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Screenshot Size

Is there an ideal size for screenshots? I think 576x320 is a good compromise between file size and legibility. Like this:

'Course, then it can scale down to 180x100 for the thumbnail in the ep list:

And, if someone clicks the thumbnail, they get a decent sized image on the Image: page. --Jeremy Butler 13:18, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmmmm... checking my numbers, I see that 569x320 would be a more accurate representation of the 1.78:1 or 16:9 aspect ratio that The Office is shot in. (I still think 320 pixels is a good height to use.) I'll try that in the next screenshot I do. --Jeremy Butler 13:18, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate Image

Oops, I uploaded a screenshot for "Booze Cruise" before realizing Jtrost had already put one up. I like his, but is there any sentiment for replacing it with this one? The only advantage to my image is that it's a close-up and easier to see as a thumbnail. --Jeremy Butler 16:36, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

That's fine. I don't care. Jtrost 17:56, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'll make the switch then. --Jeremy Butler 18:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Table format

I made a small change to the format of the table. I made the background color for the episode description pure white. I think this helps seperate the episodes better visually. I got the idea from List of The Simpsons episodes. If people don't agree then my change can be reverted. Tnikkel 06:15, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia's policies on episode lists

Thought I'd gather the various Wikipedia policies/guidelines on ep lists here:

• Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Television episodes
• Wikipedia:WikiProject List of Television Episodes
• Wikipedia:WikiProject List of Television Episodes/structure
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Television#Episode_lists

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jeremy Butler (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Infobox

What about adding a succesion box to each episode page (see the bottom of Baby boomer for an example) so that the next/previous episode can easily be navigated to from each episode page? Are people in favour of this idea? Tnikkel 01:57, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Williamnilly created a very nice infobox for use on individual The Office episode pages that includes a previous/next episode link. Two changes I think would improve the box. First, make the "Previous Episode" and "Next Episode" boxes side by side, rather then one on top of the other, so that their positions better indicate the previous/next duality. It will require some tricks so that the previous/next episode boxes are equal width but don't force the cells above them to also have equal width. Secondly, do we want to include one episode number that spans all seasons or have a season number and and episode (in that season) number? I prefer the latter. Tnikkel 07:47, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I think I've finalized the look of the infobox! The Injury for example. Williamnilly 19:42, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

First off, awesome job on the template, Williamnilly. I knew those articles were missing something and the infobox is great. I agree that the Next/Previous episode links should be beside each other. I would also prefer the

Season 1

Episode no. 5

format Tnikkel discussed above. I might be able to make the changes myself, but I don't think I'd have time to change all the articles to conform with the template right now, and don't want to leave halfway through. Mrtea (talk) 13:24, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I think I've finalized the look of the infobox! The Injury for example. Williamnilly 19:42, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Excellent work! I think we can put the infobox on all the pages now. Tnikkel 22:23, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I noticed you added the season and episode no (of the season) back into the infobox. Doesn't this seem repetitive? The infobox technically already lists the Season and episode number in the season list. Wouldn't we rather have the OVERALL episode number (ie. "The Injury" would be Episode 18 of the entire series) and then let the season episode list in the infobox speak for itself? Williamnilly 22:27, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I see your point now. My thinking was to provide an easy to read way of determining the season/episode number at a glance. With your way one would need to look at the bottom of the infobox, see the season number, then scan the list of episodes to find the episode number. Regarding the overall episode number, is that a useful number? I find that usually people refer to the season/episode number when they want to refer to a specific episode, not the overall episode number. Those are my thoughts on the issue, but it's not that big a deal to me. Tnikkel 22:40, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Nice job everyone. I'm very impressed. I'll contribute what I can to these episodes. My only concern is that no sources are not properly cited under trivia. Adding an external link is not a proper citation. Please review WP:CITE on how to properly cite information. Jtrost (^T | C | _#) 22:31, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Secret

I moved "The Secret" because someone added a film called "The Secret" as well. Maybe we should premptively move some of the other episodes that have "common" names, or all of them, to make it uniform. Tnikkel 21:37, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Screenshots as fair use

In order to resolve the long standing debate over fair use of screenshots on List of Lost episodes, I am now trying to resolve the issue under the belief that the issue is an opinionated matter and not a matter of policy. Talk:List of Lost episodes#Fair use criteria number 8. I ask that people share their comments, but please try to keep the conversation in this section focused.

One thing that works against us is that the conversation tries to defend too many points at once. Try not to respond to comments about other aspects of the debate, and just take this one step at a time. Basically, respond if you think this is an opinionated matter regarding policy point 8 of WP:FUC or not.

I believe if we can break through on the issue of point 8, the rest will fall into place. -- Ned Scott 08:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I removed all of the screenshots from this page because I am hoping that people who like the screenshots will participate in the argument over at Talk:List of Lost episodes. I love them, but we need more people in the discussion to take the haters down. 154.20.217.225 18:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Do not disrupt Wikipedia to make a point. Jtrost (^T | C | _#) 19:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, sorry. 154.20.217.225 22:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image spoilers?

Maybe I'm making too much of this, but the screenshots for episodes 1 and 3 of the new season seem a little revealing to me. Michael's kiss to Oscar is the uncomfortable climax of the season premeire while Dwight's punishment in episode 3 is intended to be the revealing payoff to the last joke in the episode. They're both good images that successfully capture the general themes of their respective episode plotlines, but I consider them both spoilers.

Does anyone agree? Pele Merengue 04:50, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

There is a spoiler tag at the top of this article. And I would consider episode summaries to be spoilers as well, so I don't see a problem with the images as long a there are episode summaries. Tnikkel 04:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 3 has 25 episodes?

On the The Office main article it has 25 scheduled episodes for season 3 but I can't find a source. Does anybody know where that's been reported? - 75.38.115.132 16:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 3 production codes

How do we know these are the correct production codes? Rarely are the episodes aired in the exact same order they are produced. If there isn't a correct source that lists the prodution codes, shouldn't we leave them blank or replace them with "TBA" until we figure it out? Pele Merengue 22:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't even see why production codes are needed.Puppet125 02:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 3 in general

whats the source for all these future episodes? it seems like anyone could just make it up. Skhatri2005 00:28, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

While anyone could just make it up, I do find them to be very convincing. They're most certainly legit. 201.81.252.13 05:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Most certainly legit? When you just said "anyone could just make it up"....? That's some interesting logic you have there. Unless there's a source there's no reason to believe it. GrahameS 19:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)