Talk:List of Tasmanians
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By god you guys really are clutching at straws now! It's all very well for that pulp tabloid we call The Mercury to glorify into sainthood some people who've done very little, but surely on Wikipedia we can keep it up to a certain standard, can't we? i.e. Just because Tassie is a small state and we care about fairly common achievements, it doesn't mean the rest of the world cares that much. For instance, you wouldn't expect a page, "People of Bruny Island" to produce many in it, would you? But you certainly wouldn't expect them to elevate the level of those who do live on Bruny to make up the numbers. Essie Davis--good luck to her, probably a lovely girl and her family must be very proud--but she's little more than a bit-player in a couple of recent films, and not as prominent as ANY of the people on any other "People of BLANK" pages. Simon Ditcham delivered the newspaper from his parents' shop in Kingston to my house last week. I also once had a similar job--should I be on the list too? Freya Stafford--imagine how long the List of notable Melburnians would be if they included everyone from these TV shows? Can we be more careful in future? wait and see if it turns out someone is noteworthy.
PLEASE if you are going to go off on a rave like this (from an address that has been warned already) at least identify yourself to clarify most of your thoughts about the issues, and be prepared to have civil discussions rather than anonymous posts like this. If you have issues with the way wiki is created, join in. er... We at wiki?vcxlor 08:38, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Ha, don't be too hasty talking about warnings on addresses since that IP is a public computer (and it wasn't me who was warned). It was I, tilgrieog, who wrote it, but honestly I don't think adding that info would change the ability for us to discuss it (as I said everything necessary), so I don't really think it matters in every post. "Off on a rave"? I'm offended by that since everything I said was representative of my opinion in a civil debate over why this article looks a little amateur. "er... We at wiki?" I don't know what you mean by that. If you want more clarification, I'm saying that most of the people on the list shouldn't be there! They're simply not that prominent, and almost every one of these LIST pages is more like a blog than an actual article, incomplete and with no common standards.
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- Agreed, this is a pretty lame page. I think I actually created it to get this stuff off the main Tasmania article. I think this list either needs to go up for afd or edited down. --Jgritz 08:57, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Dombrovskis and Truchanas
Not wishing to disrespect their memories, but how true is it to include these guys on a list of people that Tasmania has produced? Both were born in Europe. I don't know how old Dombrovskis was when he arrived in Tassy, but Truchanas was 25, well past his formative years. It may be true to say that Tasmania nurtured them, even held them to her bosom. But "produced" them? Maybe it's just a matter of slightly redefining the list rather than removing anybody from it. Similarly, we might say that Russell Crowe is recognised as an Australian actor (except when he throws phones in hotel lobbies), but could we say that he is an actor that Australia has "produced"? Cheers JackofOz 04:27, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Demographically and economically Tasmania exports more people than stay, and when you think of the current silverspoons and silvertails buying up land and places who are from the mainland _and_ who will invariably return (to the mainland, like the 70's generation who returned), the transient nature of existence for a large percentage of people who have had Tasmania as home for a year or decade, or whatever is - I would hazard a guess a larger number than those born and stayed forever (mind you in the pubs in queenstown in the mid 70's we had guys born and died in queeny who used to brag that they hadnt been beyond gormanston in their life) Another way of looking at it - there are probably more tasmanians in victoria than there are in tasmania (apropos the greeks in melbourne). This is a very long way of saying if someone has had residence and passion for the landscape such as dombrovskis and truchanas they deserve to remain.vcxlor 13:50, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Royce Hart/Paul Hudson/Paul Williams
I removed Paul Hudson and added Royce Hart to list of notable Tassie Aussie Rules footballers. Paul Hudson, althuogh the son of Peter, wasn't born in Tasmania and has little to do with it. Also I would not think his career is significant enough to mention. The ommision of Royce Hart is dumbfounding, probably Tasmania's greatest ever footballer. He is one of the AFL/VFL greatest ever Centre Half Forwards. Paul Williams is also a notable Tasmanian born Australian Rules player. 250+ games, All Australian selection and a premiership medal. I will try to add more great Tasmanian footballers as I think of them.
Jabso 09:04, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Christoper Koch and Richard Davey
I am reinstating these two, and have left a message on jgritz's talk page about this. They are notable writers. SatuSuro 03:37, 9 January 2006 (UTC) aka vcxlor
- I also disagree wholeheartedly with Jgritz re editing this article down, regardless - it needs to be maintained and expanded, specially
if the face of the issues that tasmanians "get it" - either ignored, left out or whatever from mainlanders.SatuSuro 04:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC) aka vcxlor SatuSuro 04:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
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- My theory was if they don't have an article, they don't deserve to be on the list. We should also change the page to "list of notable tasmanians". Christopher Koch I would include as he's had recogition internationally. Richard Davey, no, - Most of my friends have been in his plays, and as far as I can tell they've only really been produced in Hobart and Strahan, with the Strahan play's success mainly being linked to the tourism aspect. I agree with anon's above comments, that you might expect this list in the Mercury, but not on wikipedia. --Jgritz 05:13, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
- I still beg to disagree - just because the article has been started today (note that others are establishing further details on Koch, not me) does not mean that there aren't other tasmanian writers who somebody hasnt got around to doing articles on! not good enough!
keep the faith! SatuSuro 06:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Politicians, Sols, War heroes
Where are the politicions? Also isn't Sols, the authour of the Snake cartoon series a Tasmanian? What about Tasmanian war heros? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.169.149.35 (talk • contribs) 12:48, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- Politicians are listed under "Arts" for some reason. I've made a new section, and sorted them into state and federal. I have cautiously removed a few of the state ones as they aren't really notable outside of Tasmania. I left Jim Bacon and Paul Lennon, but maybe they should be removed as well. Not sure if I should include Janie Dickenson - who was the youngest elected female mayor in Australia - maybe not notable enough for this list.
- Sols - of course - I have added him and will endeavour to write an article.
- War heroes - Alec Campbell was the longest surviving Gallipoli vet wasn't he? There are probably others but I don't know of any who are well known.
- -- Chuq 04:55, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thanks Chuq, another one pops into my head , Mark "Chopper" Reed
