Talk:List of Survivor statistics and trivia

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Contents 1 Misc Comments 2 Cleanup tag 3 I feel dirty 4 Trimming the fat 5 Trimming the Fat 2 6 Asked to Be Voted Out Revision 7 Requested move 7.1 Survey 7.2 Discussion 8 Thailand's Tribe names 9 Justification for this article 10 Sole Survivor Trivia 11 Throwing the Immunity Challenge 12 Jeff's good-bye words 13 Double Elimination 14 Youngest Participant

[edit] Misc Comments

Rudy is not the only castaway to have an action figure. Hunter hosts Tactical to Practical and on an episode of it, an action figure was made for him.

-This has been clarified to "publicly available." If the Hunter Ellis figure was sold to the general public, then remove entirely.

In all seasons except 2, the jury has had 4 women and 3 men or 4 men and 3 women. In Vanuatu, the jury had 5 women and 2 men. In Guatemala, the jury had 5 men and 2 women.

Despite the fact that Lydia Morales did not win any immunity challenge, she made her way to the Top 4 in Survivor: Guatemala.

This isn't noteworthy; quite a few contestants have done the same thing. Tina did as well, and ended up winning. (Sandra may have as well, but I'm not certain about that). I'm going to remove this bit.

[edit] Cleanup tag

This article is a mess. It's just a list of random items with no organization or flow. It would be nice to see it improved. -- MisterHand 21:10, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I feel dirty

I feel dirty editing this article, if i nominate it for deletion, will anyone care? it's a freeking mess, and even if I clean up all the factual errors and all the gramatical errors etc I'm still not sure if it's going not suck when i'm done :/ AdamJacobMuller 11:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

::scrapes off mud and jumps in shower:: I pretty much fixed all the formatting issues, I think, now we just have to deal with the fact that the article content is a steaming pile. AdamJacobMuller 12:54, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I suggest that when a user is blocked, we allow them to modify this article and this article alone. Couldn't make it any worse. -- MisterHand 15:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trimming the fat

I have removed the following five trivia items from the article. My reasons for removing them are given below each item:

• Only one player, John Carroll, was born on the 14th of the month, in June. Simularly,
  • Ends mid-sentence, bad spelling, has nothing to do with the game itself, completely non-notable and silly.

• Four Survivor players have the last name of "Johnson": Kim Johnson, Ghandia Johnson, Dave Johnson and Darrah Johnson.
  • Has nothing to do with the game itself, completely non-notable and silly.

• 26 castaways are Capricorns, making it the most represented astrological sign. The least represented is Libra, with seven players.
  • Has nothing to do with the game itself, completely non-notable and silly.

• Until Exile Island (Cirie Fields), all African-American female castaways had their name end with "A" letter.(Ramona Gray, Alicia Calaway, Linda Spencer, Vecepia Towery, Ghandia Johnson, JoAnna Ward, Tijuana Bradley, Jolanda Jones).
  • Has nothing to do with the game itself, completely non-notable and silly.

• In a perhaps unintentional allusion to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, the eleventh episode of the ninth season was titled "Surprise... and Surprise Again."
  • Highly dubious, and appears to be original research.
    • I'm not sure what is meant by "original research," but the eleventh episode of the ninth season (9.11) was titled "Surprise!... and Surprise Again!" Verified on IMDb and TV.com, among other places. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.152.191.68 (talk • contribs).
      • The original research part is the "In a perhaps unintentional allusion to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001", not the title of the episode. Wikipedia is not the place for speculation. I'm going to remove that part of the trivia. -- MisterHand 04:21, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

More trims to come, but I didn't want to do it all at once in case there are strong objections. If you have a problem with any of these removals, state your case here. -- MisterHand 20:25, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trimming the Fat 2

I have removed the five more trivia items from the article. My reasons for removing them are given below each item:

• "A" is the only letter common to all Sole Survivors' given names. Although there is no "a" in Chris Daugherty's first name, there is one in his family name; the same is true of Tom Westman.
  • Has nothing to do with the game itself, completely non-notable and silly.
    • What we think should be noted is less important than what actually is noted.
• "Koan," a poster on the internet forum Survivor Sucks, discovered a pattern in the show's opening credits with the female winners. For 5 out of the 6 women who have won, the woman appeared nth in her tribe (or total order) in the nth season. Vecepia Towery appeared 4th in her tribe in season 4, Jenna Morasca appeared 6th in her tribe in season 6, Sandra Diaz-Twine appeared 7th in her tribe in season 7, Amber Brkich appeared 8th overall (each tribe only had 6 members) in season 8, and Danni Boatwright appeared 11th overall (each tribe only had 9 members) in season 11. It could be argued that the order of Tina Wesson was significant as well since she was last in her tribe.
  • This is a huge stretch, and not at all encyclodpedic.
• The most common first names (despite the varied spelling) on Survivor are "John" (John Carroll, Jon Dalton, John Raymond, John Palyok and John Kenney),"Rob" (Rob Mariano, Robert DeCanio, Robb Zbacnik and Rob Cesternino)and "Daniel" (Daniel Lue, Dan Barry, Danni Boatwright, Danielle DiLorenzo).
  • Has nothing to do with the game itself, completely non-notable and silly.
• Both players whose names begins with "Christ" have finished in 6th place: Christy Smith finished 6th in The Amazon, and Christa Hastie finished 6th in Pearl Islands.
  • Has nothing to do with the game itself, completely non-notable and silly.
• Both players named Sean (spelled that way) in Survivor history have finished in 5th place: Sean Kenniff finished 5th in Borneo, and Sean Rector finished 5th in Marquesas.
  • Has nothing to do with the game itself, completely non-notable and silly.

If you have a problem with any of these removals, state your case here. -- MisterHand 22:26, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Messy Thinking 01:02, 17 March 2006 (UTC) The most common argument for removal is "has nothing to do with the game itself, completely non-notable and silly." This is not the point.

For 11 seasons, at least one contestant's first name began with the letter J. So what? you ask. There are none in Exile Island, that's what; this hasn't happened before. We don't choose who appears in the game, but with so many contestants and so many seasons, we have come to the point where even the tiniest elements pique interest. It's no longer about what we believe should be noted but what actually is.

Another case in point is that A really is the only letter common to all Sole Survivors' names. So? you ask again. It's trivial, which according to my dictionary is defined as something of little importance. Therefore, there is nothing wrong with it being considered a piece of trivia.

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. You haven't convinced me that any of these items belong in an encyclopedia. In my opinion, they are appropriate for a Survivor fan site, but not here. -- MisterHand 01:20, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Messy Thinking 01:47, 17 March 2006 (UTC) I don't think any argument will be enough to do that.

I argue that the the third, fourth and fifth items are comparable to those listed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_trivia. The third, and arguably the first are statistical. The fourth and fifth do have to do with the results of the game, and should return. I agree that the second is a stretch.

[edit] Asked to Be Voted Out Revision

I've revised the 'People who asked to be voted out, and were' section. The B.B. entry has been kept, but it was a little misleading, making people believe that he was voted out solely for that fact. B.B. would have been voted out regardless of that fact, (the only difference being that Gretchen wouldn't have voted for him) so an additional sentence has been added to make that clear.

Also, Shawna being in that list makes no sense since Joanna was kept instead. By the time she was voted out she wanted to stay since the boys are around. I've kept it, but under a seperate bullet point saying that they did not honor her wishes and kept her. Osten has been added as well since the same thing happened to him in Pearl Islands episode 2. Quiddity99

Please don't revert it to the old format without explaining, Shawna clearly was not voted out until after she changed her mind and multiple episodes had passed! Thanks! Fixed again. Quiddity99 7 June 2006

[edit] Thailand's Tribe names

Hi, I'm a fan of Wikipedia but haven't registered for English wikipedia yet.

I don't know is it OK if I add some details about tribe names in Thailand Season. Chuay Jai means "Help Heart", if you translate it word by word. Actually, in Thailand, they don't say "Chuay Jai" to refer to "Stregthen Courage" or "Support Will Power" but they use Chuay Perm Gham Lang Jai (ช่วยเพิ่มกำลังใจ). Anyway, if you use this word in Thai poem and want to use "Chuay Jai" to refer to "Stregthen Courage", it's OK.

[edit] Justification for this article

We seem to be getting into a bizarre argument that trivia shouldn't be trivial. The purpose of this article is to collect "non-notable and silly" information (including coincidences) about the show. I'm sure some people want to take it a step further and delete the article entirely. But don't confuse "I'm not interested in this subject" with "Nobody is interested in this subject". Wikipedia was built by adding information, not subtracting it. MK2 21:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you that some of old old trivia is non-notable and silly in formation but something I think it is notable but not for others so I just curious that how do you evaluate what's notable or not.

Personally, I think the abnormal events that contestants got immnuity is notable. Like - Gary Hogeboom found immunity Idol in Guatemalan Jungle - Danni Boatwright won immunity challenge because she used her money in auction to buy the right to change her position in the challenge with somebody (Stephenie LaGrossa) - Terry Deitz and Yul Kwon Found immunity necklace on Exile Island

or in Tribal Council - Ami Cusack got immunity from John Kenney - Ibrehem Rahman got immunity from Koror voting - Gary Hogeboom got immunity from Rafe Judkins (but he didn't have to use it)

I just give some detail that this article has not have yet. I don't want to annoy or subtrack. Sorry if I made something wrong.

[edit] Sole Survivor Trivia

Jenna Morasca is the "female" youngest winner. Aras Baskauskas is the "male" youngest winner. They both were born in 1981. Baskauskas was born on September but Morasca on February so he is the youngest winner, not her.

Jenna was the youngest when she won, thus making her the youngest winner. -- Scorpion0422 14:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, sorry I misunderstood. That's correct Jenna won when she was 19 but Aras won when he was about something 20s (right?). I think you guys compared all winner and made a notable point about that winner. Actually, Tina Wesson is older than Tom westman. Sorry anyway I just don't get. The information it's not clear for me.

[edit] Throwing the Immunity Challenge

I think Throwing the challenge is quite notable and unnormal event in SURVIVOR because normally all tribe really concern and fight to death to win each immunity challenge but only 2 tribe from 2 season which chose this decision.

[edit] Jeff's good-bye words

Here's something else I think we could include. Normally, when Jeff Probst snuffs out a contestant's torch, he says "The tribe has spoken. It's time for you to go." However, he occasionlly changes his words significantly, or adds something, for one reason or another. Here are a few instances that I remember (as close as I can remember to his actual words):

• To Stacey (Season 1), he said "Well, the weather has spoken, and more importantly, the tribe has spoken." (said because the huge rainstorm had put out her torch before)
• To Rudy (Season 1), he said, "In this case, Kelly has spoken." (because Kelly was the only one to cast a vote)
• To Osten (Season 7), he said "Osten, per your wishes, go home." (Because Osten had decided to quit.)
• To someone else (forget who) he said "Both Mother Nature and the tribe have spoken." (because the rain put out their torch

I know there's been some others, but I can't think of them right now. --CrazyLegsKC 06:09, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I guess Jeff also said something different to Bobby Jon Drinkard in Season 10 Palau because BJ lost tie-break to Steph. I can't remember it though.

I think I do. It was something like "The tribe has definitely not spoken. Nonetheless, it's time for you to go. I think that this is mentioned somewhere else in the article, actually. --CrazyLegsKC 00:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Double Elimination

I just think Nathan Gonzales didn't have to be immuned because he didn't participate in voting. On the other hand Ibrehem Rahman from Palau needed Immunity because he participated in voting.

[edit] Youngest Participant

"Jeff Wilson, 21 on Survivor: Palau" February 9, 1983 I agreed he is the youngest in his season but not in survivor history.

Morgan McDevitt from Guatemala is also 21 but she were born on November 24, 1983 so I think she is the youngest participant. (Anyway, I guessed she had no notable role in her season and was voted out before merging (as Brianna and Brooke) so she is easily to forget)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 161.200.255.163 (talk) 04:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

Was Jeff Wilson only the youngest participant in this show? [1] Morgan was also "21" when she participated survivor. Right? [2] Sweeti Tooth 17:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)