Talk:List of Russians
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[edit] Russians with no Russians
I love it how in the beginning it used to give an exhaustive list of all nationalities that could be great Russians... except Russians themselves (until I fixed it). Making me think for a second there that every single person worth mentioning was anything but Russian. Props to whoever wrote that fine intro. Guinness man 11:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Intro can stay as long as the title matches what the intro intends. 141.211.251.69 01:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Film-makers
Howbout film-makers? Are they "artists" or should have own section? I would include Andrei Tarkovsky, although I don't know any others. Astrophil 17:31, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Russians making an Impact
The "List of craters on the Moon" has a number of craters named after supposedly notable Russians. However I have been unable to find much information on these individuals. For the most part they are rocketry scientists and engineers, and the names were given to craters on the far side. These I have listed in italics w/o a link, because I'm not sure about the full name. If you could help work some of those out, it would be appreciated. Thank you! RJH 23:36, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Random thoughts
maybe we should consolidate "Scientists" and "Inventors"? seems redundant. kwertii
Maybe Inventors should be separate as most are engineers or tinkerers
Ah.. good point.
I like how Rasputin is in the "Other" category.. I sat here, looking through the categories, trying to pick one.. 'Royal Family'? no.. 'Politician'? no.. ummmm... 'Miscellaneous'. ;)
kwertii
Hey dear anonymous user 64.228.30.135 I can't help if Russian father's names do not fit in your frame or (others one) of editing but as it seems I have to repeat thousand times that we should write Russian names in full here. It is hard to find sometimes one Russian person if you do not know the full name. The same thing is if we should leave some French names and Jean-Claude Killy would simply become Jean Killy. So I have to revert back:
- Nikolai Semenovich Leskov (1831 - 1895), storyteller, novelist, and journalist
- Nikolai Platonovich Ogaryov (1813 - 1877), author
I guess there are quite many Leskovs and Ogaryov whose names are Nikolai and such. So please be accurate as possible you can. All others have contributed nice editings without ruining the meanings. Best regards and Happy New Year 2003. My trifle --XJamRastafire 01:44 Jan 1, 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Stalin
Joseph Stalin is listed as a famous Russian - but he wasn't a Russian, was he? I think he was from Georgia. Fisk 13:52 Mar 16, 2003 (UTC)
The convention for mentioning lifetimes for living is persons is thus : (born 1926) or just (b. 1926). If someone is not sure of the birth or death years of non-living persons, and he wishes to keep it open so that someone else can fill it up, he can write it as (1856 - ?). I have made the changes. Jay 18:25, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)
Joseph (Iosif) Stalin was ethnically a Georgian, but Georgia united with Russian Empire in 1801, so all Georgians after that became "Russians" if you look at it from abroad. The most famous of these Georgian Russians was the Russian hero of the Napoleonic wars general Bagration (of Georgian royal line). But unlike these Georgian Russians, Joseph Stalin effectively became a Soviet man, though he had been born in Georgia, then a part of the Russian Empire. So, he is an ethnic Georgian, Russian by main language he used, and Soviet by his citizenship and his way of life.
To sum it up, your encyclopedia should include "politically incorrect" Soviet Empire (you choose the name) and, correspondingly, 'List of Soviet people'. Dec.8,2003. GNS
[edit] Artists
Under artists one has to add: 1.Ilya Yefimovitch Repin ( 1844-1930),certainly one of the moct well known painters 2.Ivan Ivanovitch Shiskin (1832-1898), certainly the best known landscape painter 3. Alexander Nikolayevich Benois (1870-1960),great painter and a leading figure in the world of art
I am also missing Malevitch, Kandinsky, Roerich,
[edit] Who is "famous"?
How is the degree of "famousness" determined. Alexey Pavlovich Okladnikov is a rather famous historian and ethnographer, however, he is famous among specialists only. Common people wouldn't normally know who he is. Should he be added into this list? If so, in which category? If not, what is the reasoning? Thanks. --Ezhiki 16:01, Apr 28, 2004 (UTC)
- If an article is in wikipedia, then the person is here no question. If you watch the Wikipedia:Votes for deletion, you'd notice that pure vanity pages don't live long here. Mikkalai 02:51, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Section hierarchy
I added some obvious hierarchy and some not so obvious. Two remarks:
- Clearly, the sectioning may be of various structure. I'd suggest to use the rule of thumb: to split into subsections only of the list is reasonably long or if subsections are of significant meaning.
- Statsmen: IMO the at the moment the only reasonable turning point is 1917. The history is pretty continuous (in terms of involvement of people) "before" and "after", and people would overlap any turning point. I understand that there is a strong desire to see the collapse of the Soviet Union as another watershed, but this time moment IMO will be difficult to use as a criterion, e.g., Yeltsin: before of after? Mikkalai 20:43, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Good title for list?
Is List of Russians really a good title for this list? I sounds kind-of ridiculous. I mean, we wouldn't have a List of Americans or anything. Why not List of famous Russians or List of notable Russians? blankfaze | ♫ 18:46, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
- Haha maybe not List of Americans, but List of people from the United States. I think even that sounds kind-of silly. blankfaze | ♫ 18:49, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
- Let's take, say, List of rivers of Europe. Will you be saying that we must rename it to List of notable rivers of Europe as well? Mikkalai 20:08, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
- Well NO, but rivers aren't people. List of Russians sounds like it should be a list of every single Russian person ever, notable or otherwise. blankfaze | ♫ 23:41, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
- Well YES. Are you going to list every river and creek? We are not defining an exact term here. therefore tere is no need in an "exact" title. If someone thinks we are going to put all Russians here, let him tremble with fear. Adding the word "notable" may only add POV discussions: who is notable and who is not. Mikkalai 00:46, 28 May 2004 (UTC)
- Well, we've already had such a dispute. I agree, List of Russians does sound like it would be a rather large document.
- Well YES. Are you going to list every river and creek? We are not defining an exact term here. therefore tere is no need in an "exact" title. If someone thinks we are going to put all Russians here, let him tremble with fear. Adding the word "notable" may only add POV discussions: who is notable and who is not. Mikkalai 00:46, 28 May 2004 (UTC)
- Well NO, but rivers aren't people. List of Russians sounds like it should be a list of every single Russian person ever, notable or otherwise. blankfaze | ♫ 23:41, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Belarusophobia
(I thought I coined a neologism, but lo! there is 1 google hit!) The last ethnicity in the world which could have cause hatred, the quitest most peaceful, and thus almost always oppressed is once again denied existence, now by user:65.10.57.236, who stubbornly vandalized List of Belarusians and when met with resistance moved all belarusians here. I reverted this feat of Greater Russian chauvinism. If the user will persist, he will be blocked for vandalism, despite other reasonable contributions, until he learns to respect other ethnicities. 21:45, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
This is last warning: if user:65.10.57.236 will proceed denying Belarusian ethnicity he will be banned for blatant disrespect of the whole nationality. mikka (t) 02:50, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Statesmen before and after 1917?
Is it really useful to have Russian statesmen (and only statesmen) split that way? Even if we define statesmen as officeholders, there were quite a few statesmen, e.g. Georgy Chicherin, Andrey Vyshinsky, Matvey Skobelev, Nikolai Vissarionovich Nekrasov, Nikolai Sukhanov, who occupied important positions both before and after the October Revolution of 1917. And since the section covers both officeholders and "general purpose politicians", it's really hard to tell where to put someone like Alexander Martynov or David Riazanov or Nikolai Valentinov. And what does one do with those who remained active in emigration after 1918-1920, sometimes, like in Boris Nikolayevsky's case, for many decades? Ahasuerus 17:12, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Disambig
This list needs to be renamed List of people from Russia given the extensive paramters defining this. 141.211.251.69 01:07, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Can someone make a list of possible name changes. Hopefully then we can agree on whichever is best suited and someone can implement that change. 141.211.251.69 22:37, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Programming
"Yevgeniy Kharitonenkov, Programmer" doesn't have an adequate mentioning on the Internet and seems to be placed improperly here. Has the name to be removed from the article? Ss r 19:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
