Talk:List of New Jersey rivers

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Gjs238, I notice that you have been very busy updating List of New Jersey rivers, and I must say, my hat is off to you! I think it's just great that you're working hard to make this resource better for everyone. You have bitten off a big topic, I think, which might take you a long time unless you have a really good reference on the rivers of New Jersey. And maybe you can use some help, too. If there's anything I can do to help you, I will be glad to join in and help. More about that in a minute...

Maybe its a good time to take a step back and look at the work that has already been done to classify rivers in Wikipedia. One way to see what's out there is to browse by category, and then drill down to the categories of Geography, then in the Category of Rivers, you'll find an article, River, which has a comprehensive list of rivers of the Americas.

By looking at some of the articles on rivers that already exist, you can come up with a good template for articles on rivers (who knew the little state of New Jersey had so many of them!) I think it would be good to put a little introduction in front of the list, and then list the rivers by main rivers and tributaries. I am modeling this after the List of rivers of West Virginia:

This is a list of rivers in the U.S. state of New Jersey.

List of New Jersey rivers includes streams formally designated as rivers. There are also smaller streams (i.e., branches, creeks, drains, forks, licks, runs, etc.) in the state. Exclusive of major tributaries, there are about xx named rivers in New Jersey. Historically, the Delaware, Passaic, and Raratan rivers have provided transportation of goods and people inland from the Atlantic Ocean. Today, these rivers and the streams that feed them provide sport and recreation for many people.

Contents

[edit] Alphabetically

  • River number one
  • River number two, etc.

[edit] By tributary

Tributaries are listed in order from highest (most upstream) to lowest.

[edit] Delaware River

  • Highest upstream tributary
    • Tributary to the tributary
      • Tributary cubed, etc.
  • Next highest tributary to the Delaware, etc.

[edit] Passaic River

  • Tributary one, etc.

[edit] See also

[edit] External links

Category:Lists of rivers Category:Rivers of the United States Category:New Jersey rivers (then add {{US-northeast-geo-stub}})

Then each river page that you need to make should look like this:

The xxx River is a tributary of the yyy River, in northern/southern New Jersey in the |U.S.

Short description of the river:

Does the river serve to define political boundaries? What cities or counties does it flow through?

Is the river impounded to form a reservoir?

Is the river used for navigation? fishing? boating?

[edit] See also

[edit] External links

Category:New Jersey rivers (then add {{US-northeast-geo-stub}})

--GraemeMcRae 03:04, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikilink for River

Nice work shortening the Wikilink! However, not to be a PIA, but the original Wikilink in question led to a redirect page, Rivers, which redirected to River. I changed the link to go directly to River. If I'm still missing your point, please let me know. Thanks  :-) Gjs238 20:35, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Gjs238, your change was correct, and I noted that in my comment. I changed it again just to illustrate that [[river]]s is a bit shorter than [[River|rivers]], and generates exactly the same link—rivers and rivers. Both avoid the redirect.--GraemeMcRaetalk 20:36, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Ah, my misunderstanding  :-( When you said, "The existing "river" wikilink was correct..." I thought you were referring to Rivers.
By the way, there are many tributaries on the list now. Do you think that is appropriate for a "rivers" list and if not, how might we define a "river"? I don't mind moving tributaries to a separate list or a subsection of river list, but how do we decide what waterways to leave on the rivers list? Have you seen the discussion on Talk:List of rivers in the United States? Gjs238 21:01, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
No, I wasn't watching that page. I will now. One of the suggestions, which I particularly like, is to classify rivers according to their watershed. Whether the watershed is serviced by a "river" depends largely on the area of the watershed. Wikipedians could arrive at a consensus regarding the smallest watershed that still counts as a "river". This avoids the problem that some tiny streams—too small to even have names, in many cases—empty into oceans. Its watershed just isn't big enough to make the stream count as a river. And the problem that a major river might be a tributary of another major river. Both watersheds may be huge, so both are rivers.--GraemeMcRaetalk 21:29, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Title change to "List of rivers in New Jersey"

From what I've been noticing (although I couldn't find a clear WP:MOS thing explaining it other than something about adjectives redirecting to nouns), many pages seem to be "List of xxx in some area" rather than "List of some area xxx." Therefore, unless there is strong opposition for some reason, I feel this page should be changed to List of rivers in New Jersey from List of New Jersey rivers. //MrD9 20:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] kettle creek?

i believe is a river?

[edit] an aside?

I came across this when doing a Random article check and found one of the tributary of a tributary of a tributary articles. I wholeheartedly support the layout discussed above (I have attempted some work on two drainage basins in UK (River Thames and River Medway. I do wonder however if it is strictly necessary to have a separate article on each tiny stream, which appears to be the case? Peter Shearan 05:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

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