Talk:List of Naruto video games

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[edit] Game names

Since this is the English Wikipedia, I would say we should have the English names take priority over all the Japanese names. These includes moving pages to their English names, etc. --Zeno McDohl ^(talk) 15:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. I was worried that this would be brought up and I understand what you are saying but this is Naruto we are talking about. Many arguements have came up revolving English/Japanese names since the series has been popular long before the anime was dubbed. Though I also remember that the outcome of the arguement said that users prefere the Japanese names over the Englidh names and that was how it was settled. Its fine how it is. The titles for the English dubbed versions of the games are still very existant in the articles and on this list page.--SwordKirby537 07:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

It's not what they "prefer" rather the style and standard Wikipedia should follow. Was this argument(s) on Wikipedia? Take a look at Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi for the standard we should follow. It uses the English name and not the Japanese. --Zeno McDohl ^(talk) 07:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Zeno is right. This is the English Wikipedia. You'll note that in all other cases, both anime and video game, English names, when available, are used for titling. Pokémon isn't at Pocket Monsters (and Ash Ketchum isn't at Satoshi), the DBZ series and characters are at their English names, etc. The preference of Naruto fans doesn't override the fact that placing these games at their Japanese titles does a disservice to those who aren't part of the hard core of Naruto fandom. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:35, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

It was discussed awhile back and settled that the Naruto pages one Wikipedia go by the Japanese names, despite Wikipedia's standards. Look back through the history of some popular Naruto pages and you'll find it.--SwordKirby537 00:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

That really doesn't help. Could you provide a link? The consensus now is to go with the English names. --Zeno McDohl ^(talk) 00:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Naruto_jutsu#Names_of_sections That is part of the naming arguement. Going by Japanese names first and English second should be applied to Naruto video games aswell.--SwordKirby537 06:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why that trumps the wiki-wide practice of naming things in English when English names are available. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't. Look, it's simple, use English names for article names, redirect with the Japanese names. Naruto was indeed popular before the dub, but it's popularity has risen even more after the dub. One can easily conclude that, seeing as companies are spending time and money on translations, that a huge number of English fans are coming in who've never seen a fansub. Yes, I know one can't always assume that, and yes, I'm not putting marketing data up to back up my claim, but this is obvious. Of course fansub fans will seem like a significant number vs the over-all, because they're also major internet users (that's how they get the fansubs!). But in reality they are the minority. This doesn't stop you guys at all from using both names, but you do have to use at least the English name. I know I know, it's not what the true fan would want, but tough luck buddy, this is not a fansite. Deal with it. -- Ned Scott 07:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Since no one is on my side then in looks like I lost. You guys can do what you want. I'm gonna start up my own Naruto gaming site. Its a shame, I hate the dub and I hate what it has done to such a great series. And I'm also so sick of folling Wikipedias guide lines but thats how things are and I know that life isn't at all fair. I'm not leaving for good though. I will still check these pages to see of you guys are keeping the information accurate. I am infact a major contributor; these pages wouldn't be half of what they are without my work.--SwordKirby537 07:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Your contributions are definintely appreciated, and you are correct in saying that you've made quite a few of them. However, the naming conventions have to be the same all across Wikipedia in order to maintain some sense of consistency and order, Certain rules have to be adopted and followed by everyone participating in the maintenance of the site. I don't personally agree with all of the rules here, but I respect the fact that a general consensus was reached in order to establish them, and I therefore abide by those rules. We expect all editors participating to do the same. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 18:04, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Contrary to many of the statements above, there does not appear to be any consensus that the English names should always be used. There is no "wiki-wide practice of naming things in English when English names are available"; the actual Wikipedia policy is to use whatever name is most common in the English-speaking world. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Name your pages in English... unless the native form is more commonly used in English than the English form) and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) (only use the native spelling as an article title if it is more commonly used in English than the anglicized form). If the video games are more commonly known amongst English-speakers by their Japanese names, then those are the names that should be used. If not, then they shouldn't.  –Aponar Kestrel (talk) 03:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

But these games will eventually be known by their English names. There's no way they won't be in the North American video gaming community. WhisperToMe 04:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. When the games are known by their English names, you can change them. Don't change the names now just because you anticipate that those names may be popular in the future. Ken Arromdee 17:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Aponar, there's no way to know what name is more commonly known amongst English-speakers. I cannot find any sales figures, but I would assume in the US there have been more sales of the English game over importing. --Zeno McDohl ^(talk) 04:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Without looking into the matter, admittedly, I find it quite plausible that the games will pass unnoticed by the mainstream and remain mostly the province of hardcore fans, who have a well-documented tendency to keep using Japanese names. I also find it quite plausible that sales of the localized games will outstrip the number of people who even know the game came out in Japan originally. Please don't mistake my comments as support for either side in this matter; I pass no judgment whatsoever on whether or not the English names actually are more common (or will become so). I just don't want Wikipedia policy to be misrepresented as it has been.  –Aponar Kestrel (talk) 05:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Video games on Wikipedia are listed under their English name(unless it didn't get a release in English speaking countries), Naruto games should be no different. That reminds me, please go to the talk page of Naruto: Clash of Ninja (video game) and Naruto: Clash of Ninja 2 (video game) and vote to move them since their is no reason for the "video game" part to be there. TJ Spyke 05:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

They don't have (video game) in the title. --Zeno McDohl ^(talk) 06:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Not any more, now that I moved them, anyway. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wii Naruto games

I have searched and I have found nothing about any Naruto games being developed for the Wii at this time. If anything is officialy announced I will add a section for Naruto games on the Wii but for now I will remove it.--SwordKirby537 00:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Can I ask why you added that in the first place then? I know that IP is yours, so unless you're sharing it... you added it. --Zeno McDohl ^(talk) 05:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PS3 Naruto game

I removed the PS3 section but someone added it back. May I ask, is there any proof of a Naruto game being developed for the PS3? Its not Naruto: Narutimate Accel because that is going to be on the PS2. Right now, the only next-gen Naruto games are Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen EX for the Wii and an untitled Naruto english dub game for the Xbox 360. My verdict is to removed the PS3 section on this article until someone can provide evidence that there is a PS3 Naruto game in development. --SwordKirby537 00:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)