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[edit] Episodes 206 and 207

I've heard that these two episodes will air as a 60 minute special, on October 12th. Should the article be changed? Grey Goshawk 20:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, first you could give out your source. Who exactly did you hear from? Whoa2000 10:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Episode 206 and 207 will be a 60 minute special but will be airing on the 19th of October not 12th. korn22x 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, some sources say that after the 202-204 special, we have a stand alone 60 minute special for episode 205-206. After that airing resumes on the 19th. Floria L 17:53, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode 209

Episode 209 is supposed to be the official start of season 9.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Korn22x (talk • contribs) 7 October 2006.

Source? Floria L 12:40, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Season 1 had 27 episodes. Season 2 had 25 episodes. Every season since (the five from 3 to 7) have had exactly 26 episodes. Assuming Season 8 follows the same pattern, 208 will be the last of this season, and 209 will be the start of Season 9. I have not seen any sources which corroborate this, but it is the assumption we should operate under until we are told differently. –Gunslinger47 06:04, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
TV.com has the start of season 9 listed as 203. Which makes sense to me since that's when it switched to thursday, and I believe that's when the new opening started. Why wouldn't it go by OP changes? Whoa2000 20:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
The new openings haven't typically corresponded with the seasons in the past. As an example, there are one point where an opening ran for only four episodes or so. More importantly, each season has had 28 episodes each since the beginning. The reason for all this ambiguity is Japanese television is not partitioned into seasons as strictly as American television. There are no season premieres or season finales. What we have instead are annual anniversaries, or at best, the Golden Week, or whatever it's called, which muuch of Japaense television is scheduled around. –Gunslinger47 18:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 90 minute special 202-204

Since each section had its own title card and only begins what appears to be another arc (with at least 4 more episodes), should the summary pages even mention that these 3 episodes were a "special". As the only thing special about them was 3 episodes airing on the same day. Filler arc 24 was started with the name Kurama Clan on the story arcs article. Someone else might want to fill in better info than what I have started. shadzar|Talk|contribs 09:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

We shouldn't even have individual articles on each episode. ~MDD4696 14:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
How would you guys feel about story-arc / season style articles as an alternative to individual episode articles? For example, Clow Card Arc: 1-18. -- Ned Scott 00:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking that was what the merge on the AfD was meaning. But linking them form the Episode titles, and grouping them I don't know about so I didn't mention it. I am new here and don't have seniority on the subject, but I like arc articles divided by episode sections. The question would be just whether people will still complain about those episodes that follow the manga arc. But I think each anime arc having its own article for the contained episodes would be enough. Little easier to locate vandals to fix also with less pages. shadzar|Talk|contribs 00:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kakashi Gaiden episode

so when's the kakashi gaiden special coming out... i forgot what dattebayo (the company that subs the episodes and releases them) said... - taira shikyo

We don't know. Neither does Dattebayo. They're a fansubbing group, by the way. They're by no means an official distributor. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
If one exists, it'll most likely be after the Komura Filler Arc near the beggingin of Season 9. Floria L 23:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
A month ago Dattebayo said that the 203-205 special would be the Kakashi Gaiden. They were wrong. Likely on purpose. –Gunslinger47 05:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Best 5 episode number and beyond

From leafninja.com, the Best 5 episode has been renumbered as 202, so this 90 special is back to being 203-205 and the rest is normal. I changed it on the page. IamCool316 01:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Now we have... two copies of Season 9 on there? I tried to figure out how to fix it, but I couldn't find the problem and simply aborted editing without changing anything? 70.162.121.168 03:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I didnt put 2 copies, i just changed the episode titles back to what it originally was. Best 5 ep is 202, the 90 min sepcial was 203-205 ect ect...IamCool316 13:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I would suggest using Dattebayo's numbering scheme.
--84.151.74.182 11:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd say that wouldn't be too smart, as I think Dattebayo said they're not subbing Naruto anymore (as of ep. 210) link
--MooNFisH 08:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
That's a joke. Note the asterisk and the YHBT at the bottom. I can't believe people are still falling for their jokes. The Splendiferous Gegiford 17:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I always wondered what the YHBT stood for, and now I know >_<. --MooNFisH 02:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] End of the fillers

please, does any one know or have a clue when the true episodes that follow the manga start?

Nope. When we know, you'll know. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know of ANY other series that has run two years of fillers?? This is insane...and usually suicide, especially THESE fillers...I mean their just horrible. Bleach I can watch, but not this. Still how many filler episodes did it take to kill Kenshin?? I just cant believe Naruto is surviving such a long plot freeze, I suppose that tells you just how popular it was. Does anyone here think that the fillers will actually be translated and shown in europe and the U.S.A? I just have the feeling they'll skip the whole lot and catch everyone up at the same point, just you wait and see.--129.2.239.251 20:28, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Same here.24.116.120.82 02:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
They need to show the Infiltrating Orochimaru's Lair arc, at least, as episode 141 contains important, non-filler plot events. Oh, and by the way, this is not a forum. This page is for discussing this article and its sub-articles alone. –Gunslinger47 06:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it will end around episode 230 and then theres going to be a Ark about Kakashi then to part 2

Its ending in Febuary.--Noman953 07:44 11 December, 2006.
Source?--Whoa2000 00:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Weekly Shonen Jump, issue #52. The second part is called Naruto: Shippūden (疾風伝? lit. Hurricane Chronicles). –Gunslinger47 04:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
really????? finally confirmed by an official source...--Sphinxridd 04:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
That said Spring 2007... I meant what's your source for February..?--Whoa2000 05:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Read Talk:Naruto. We covered this issue more than a month ago. The date and title are quite accurate. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Ah, that'd be the CCG publishers then. Shippūden starts on February 15th to be exact. As Someguy0830 mentioned, we discusses this awhile ago. –Gunslinger47 06:05, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To-do list

Repaired 24 articles that were turned into redirects (merged?) by Ned Scott. They stil need to be expanded. shadzar|Talk|contribs 00:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Repaired? Those articles have no content at all, and Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Television episodes says to not split episodes into episode articles until there is enough info on the list of episodes article for that episode. It also makes expanding these episode write-ups a lot slower when you have to visit, what, 200 different articles. -- Ned Scott 01:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Just doing what I thought the To-do list meant to prepare for expanding those articles. Included your name in case someone wanted to ask you why they were redirects in the first place... shadzar|Talk|contribs 01:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
On second thought **** it. Not everyone is expert in Wikipedia and things like list level are meaningless to people who don't know what the **** you are talking about. You seem to get ***** about someone trying to help so as far as Naruto is concerned I won't even bother anymore. Its tiring and frustrating to try to help just to have somone ***** at you all the time for trying follow everyone contradicting guidelines of what goes where and no one explaining things but with vague things like list level. shadzar|Talk|contribs 01:47, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey, calm down man. I didn't mean to offend you, but look at it from my perspective. Someone comes along and "repairs" something that I did when I also believed I was doing the right thing. -- Ned Scott 03:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Maybe you should explain your terminology about this list level somewhere that you keep refering to, and I personally can find nothing about on Wikipedia. Someone came along and put a to-do list so it is hard to tell what coincides with the WP:LOE unless it is spelled out. I understand that empty articles are not good, but they can't be filled in a single day. I am no technical writer, and can only guess people are happy with my ep 203 summary's content and grammar. We do need a to-do list here that tells people what needs done so they can work on making things right. If the individual articles are gonna be merged into story arc articles, then someone needs to start a discussion here about it and make a mock-up template or example for people to go through and combine to reduce the numebr and size of the articles, if that is a problem. You know things more than others I would guess, at least me. So explain so that we can ALL make the articles better and follow Wikipedia S&P. To me list level means this article which derives its summary from the main articles of the episodes from what I understand. If that is wrong; PLEASE, explain your term list level so that everyone can understand what you mean when looking at your edits. shadzar|Talk|contribs 05:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
It means you should add summaries on the list level (that giant list on the article page) before making empty articles. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. would it have been so hard to call it episode list rather than list level since that is what it is and less confusing. or does everyone in this world just like making up convoloted terms for things, aka "using $20 words where a $2 word will do". Now that I know if I can figure out how to add those summaries that have none I can go through my archives and try to put them in and maybe expand other articles. or should I wait until a concensus has been reached about merging the episode articles by story arcs? shadzar|Talk|contribs 08:21, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Well I am now told that summaries aren't wanted....sheesh wish people would make up their minds. shadzar|Talk|contribs 09:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Would it be helpful to include the scenes cut from the Cartoon Network version per episode?--Sphinxridd 16:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

That'd be an interesting bit of trivia to include in each of the episode articles. If we can give more information to the episode articles, especially information with real-world context, that'd be good. –Gunslinger47 19:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 75+ kilobytes

For the sake of bandwidth and the fact the fillers are still going ad naseum, should this page be split to better conform to the 32k article size? If so where should it be split? Season 6 maybe. this will have 6 non-filler episode seperated from the rest of the manga arcs but mostly keeps them all together and leave plenty of room for the remainding filelrs as they churn them out. Maybe even split further to allow for the missing episode summaries? I don't want to add all the summaries to make the page uneditable before a decision can be made. Ideas? shadzar|Talk|contribs 16:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Here is a quote from the guidelines:
Occasional exceptions
Two exceptions are lists, and articles summarizing certain fields. These act as summaries and starting points for a field and in the case of some broad subjects or lists either do not have a natural division point or work better as a single article. In such cases, the article should nonetheless be kept short where possible. Major subsections should use summary style where a separate article for a subtopic is reasonable, and the article should be written with greater than usual attention to readability.
Readers of such articles will usually accept complexity provided the article is well written, created with a sensible structure and style, and is an appropriate length for the topic. Most articles do not need to be excessively long, but when a long or very long article is unavoidable, its complexity should be minimized. Readability is still the key criterion.
This entry is simply a list of episodes. I don't believe adding verbose summaries of each would be appropriate. What I suggest is the list of Naruto story arcs be expanded instead, where interest or necessity require. –Gunslinger47 03:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
The page is only 34.47kb...83.146.55.2 17:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode Summaries

The episodes summaries for 206 and 207 were constantly reverted to stay, but when someone tried to add an episode summary for Season 3, Ep 1, it was reverted. Twice. I may have missed something, just requiring an explanation. Floria L 23:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't always pay attention to this page. Just restore them if they were accurate. I think I reverted one which destroyed the format. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] www.animenewsnetwork.com

How is this site for reference? is it reliable?[1]. (ep. 211 - Starting Kakashi Gaiden? dare we hope???) --TheYmode 07:54, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Unreliable. Don't cite it. They've been wrong at least three times. Wait for whatever cite is commonly used to verify things here. That link at the bottom. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
The link you supplied is publically editable and subject to vandalism. In fact, it seems like someone has added the episode title for #213, entitled "213. Anime News Network loves to post fake titles. Eps 210-211 are FAKE. Thanks for nothing ANN." Something tells me that's not the actual name for the episode. :D –Gunslinger47 00:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't know where you're getting "Kakashi Gaiden" from "Memories of Flame" [or was that a chapter title?], but that reference site at the bottom of the ep. list is showing that ANN was right this time. -Whoa2000 03:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Things change. If you look at the dates, we were discussing this nearly a week ago. The real episodes are there up to 211 now. –Gunslinger47 04:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naming of Episodes & of specific Episodes

Me and Someguy have been arguing over naming episodes. See page history. Episodes should be capitalised according to previous naming conventions, where place names have been in caps. Also The Enemy Shinobazu is the correct translation from Japanese, or The Enemies are Shinobazu, not what Someguy always reverts to. I will continue to rv his edits of these. I have asked him to explain on this talk page. Anyone else's opinion would be good too. Note: Previous people have capatalised titles but Someguy always rv's their edits. I do not what this to turn into an edit war. Thanks 211.28.44.94 03:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I've had my own edits reverted for the same reasons. Non-dub titles aren't in caps. Also, dattebayo, which I have more faith in than wherever you're getting your title from, translates it as "are". – Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:01, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

So what if you have had your edits rv'ed for the same reasons, that does not mean whoever rv'ed them are correct.

Also you are blatently wrong in always rv'ing it, if you see previous history at the bottom I changed it to "are" and YOU changed it back to "is". So what is going on??? You seem to say one thing and do the other.

Note; if you check your rv's you always change it to "is", even now it is "is" 211.28.44.94 04:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Careful when you comment. Don't delete parts of other's comments. As for "are", I don't really care about that, but the existing redirect is "is." If and when someone wants to make an article, that has an existing history to work with. Japanese can also be difficult with those singular plural things, so it doesn't really matter either way. Finally, as for the episode titles, since everything else is in non-caps style, consistentcy is key. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok my bad for accidently deleteing some of your comment, however if you look at previous episodes you will see that caps is the norm. The Forest of Chakra, you just need to look and see... so caps is correct plus it looks better and is correct style. (NOTE: that is why the ep, forest of B..., should have a cap B, it is inconsistent otherwise, i'm sure you see the point.211.28.44.94 04:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I do see your point, but you've missed mine. Those are dub titles. All the non-dub titles, which is something like 65 to now, aren't caps. As we get dub titles, we change them. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Who says they are not caps? Correct english dictates they are caps, regardless of whether the english dub has come out. It does not look good to have some in caps and others not. And how come you change it back to "is"? Even you before admitted that "are" is correct. 211.28.44.94 04:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Someone else needs to comment on this to get somewhere. I covered the "is" thing in my earlier comment. Second one. As for titles, here's Florida L's reason: "Romaji is only capitilzed if its the first word, start of a new phrase, or a proper noun. No reason why these should be when the other 200 eps don't". Seems good to me. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Stop edit-warring mid-discussion. Make your case then change. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Isn't Shinobazu an organization of ninja? In that case, "The enemy is Shinobazu" makes more sense. The Splendiferous Gegiford 04:36, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is. It's basically a group of rogue ninja. It's like saying the enemy is Akatsuki. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
It was my understanding that the Shinobazu were a specific group of missing-nin. From Dattebayo's dub, Tsunade says "Shinobazu are shinobi who've deserted thier village and grouped with gangs..." This is ambigious and I believe it mistakenly leads some to believe that all shinobi who've deserted their village and grouped with their gangs are called Shinobazu. This is not the case. Zabuza Momochi was refered to as a nukenin or missing-nin. Dattebayo probably translated the title as "are" because saying "is" implies definitively that the current enemey is the entire group of Shinobazu as a whole. There is still a chance that that's not precisely the case, so they went with "are" which means "the enemy we're currently fighting are of the Shinobazu". Less precise, but it is just as accurate as the original Japanese was. –Gunslinger47 21:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok so you believe that it should be "it" even though dattebayo names it "are"? Also opinions are needed on the fact that in some episodes place names are in caps and others it is not. The argument that those that have been dubbed are in caps does not hold up as if that is the case, then for consistency all need to be in caps, regardless. Dattebayo caps, and an example i used before with "Forest" being in caps in "The Forest of Chakra" or "Special Report: Live From the Forest of Death" etc etc but each time I change "The forest of bewilderment" it is rv'ed is very stubborn. This goes with other names as well.211.28.44.94 03:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC) Note: Even the episodes up to 208 most have caps eg 208 Rare artifact, The importance of the Beauties of Nature, I don't know what someguy is doing always rv'ing. 211.28.44.94 03:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
We don't use a lot of dattebayo's translations, in case you hadn't noticed. And as I've pointed out, those are dub titles. These are transliterated titles. We're trying to be consistent here. At the very least, if you must edit was constantly, be thorough. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello, so are you kinda in agreement with me about the caps? It does make sense, and you have done a lot of work for all the naruto articles. What do you mean by "if you must edit was constantly" 211.28.44.94 03:43, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
"War", it's a typo. And you keep edit warring over one damn section claiming it's correct yet not bothering to do the rest. Do the rest if you care, but don't do one section and edit war over it constantly. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:49, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
It is the policy of Wikipedia as a whole to not unnecessarily capitalize words. English itself has no strict rules about which words should and should not be capitalized under title emphasis. As such, translated titles should be written without capitalization, except on the first letters and with proper nouns and other names. The English episode titles are different. The titles, along with their capitalization, come directly from the creators. –Gunslinger47 06:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1/10th the number, or your money back

Phase two of my Naruto clean up project is to attempt to do something about the 200+ Naruto episode summaries. Unlike series such as South Park, The Simpsons, and Family Guy, which all have little continuity between episodes and therefore can't logically all be lumped into one article, Naruto can. Currently, Plot of Naruto I and Plot of Naruto II are serving as the aforementioned article lumps, though each is slowly gaining an issue with size (specifically the latter). Conversely, a number of the Naruto episode summaries currently have very little if any episode synopsis, making their existence seem questionable.

So, my solution for this "problem" is to follow in the footsteps of Dragon Ball and give each arc its own article (note that the linked article is merely an example, as all DB saga summaries vary in structure). Basically, the steps to follow would be:

  1. Make an article for every arc seen here (and maybe merge short arcs and split the Chunin Exam).
  2. Paste the relevant information from the Plot pages into the appropriate article.
  3. Replace the Plot pages' summary with what exists in one of the arc's many episode summaries (assuming an episode summary exists at that time).
  4. Paste the associated episode information from here at the bottom of the article.
  5. Put an arc navigation box somewhere in the article.
  6. Clean up redundant links, conform to one name spelling, drop repeated info, add headers, and create links for characters/places/jutsu that tend not to be linked for one reason or another.
  7. Maybe add images.
  8. Do something about the 200+ empty/unnecessary pages.
  9. Make List of Naruto story arcs into a disambiguation page or something.

Assuming there's enough support, the only real issue would be how to divide up the filler arcs. Currently there seem to be 29 of them, and many are only an episode long. They could simply all be put into one article, and in the event that that creates a size issue they could be divided up to only X number of arcs/episodes per article (this detail can be hammered out if/when necessary).

So, thoughts anyone? I dislike making changes when only 1 or 2 people say anything about it, so maybe I'll try advertising this elsewhere if that happens here. ~SnapperTo 05:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea, and it would leave room for expansion in some instances. The fillers might be a pain to do, though. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes they would, most specifically because it would be difficult to name articles with multiple filler synopsis in a sensical manner. Does Naruto Fillers Volume 13 seem like a self explanatory article title? 'Cause I'd say no. ~SnapperTo 05:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Sounds splendid to me. The current format for the Naruto information needs this reboot simply because it has gotten so unwieldy with the growth and popularity the series has experienced. Treima 04:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Great idea. We could use a reassessment of all the Naruto plot and episode articles. Regarding the filler, I'm thinking considering the number of filler arcs, perhaps create an article about the filler in general, with one (or two, if necessary) paragraph descriptions about each arc? NeoChaosX (he shoots, he scores!) 05:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I guess everyone who was going to comment has done so by now, and support seems to be positive. I was thinking that arcs could be split into articles as such:

  1. Episodes 1–19, Chapters 1–33; Spans from start of series to leaving Land of Waves: Introduction arc
  2. Episodes 20–50, Chapters 34–89; Spans from return to Konoha to end of preliminaries: Chunin Exam Preliminaries arc
  3. Episodes 51–80, Chapters 90–138; Spans from Naruto's training to Third's funeral: Attack on Konoha arc
  4. Episodes 81–100, Chapters 139–171; Spans from Itachi's return to Tsunade becoming Hokage: Search for Tsunade arc
  5. Episodes 107–135, Chapters 172–238; Sasuke Retrieval arc: Sasuke Retrieval arc
  6. Episodes 101–106 and 136–?; ALL filler arcs (don't know how feasible this will be) Naruto filler arcs
  7. Chapters 239–244; Kakashi Gaiden: We have this.
  8. Chapters 245–281; Spans from start of Part II to departure from Sunagakure: Reintroduction arc
  9. Chapters 282–310; Spans from introduction of Sai to return to Konoha: Search for Sasuke arc
  10. Chapters 311–+; Everything else: Someone rename this to something appropriate arc

That leaves it at about 20-30 chapters per article. The only thing I'm unsure of is what to name each article, especially the last one (I don't think "Current arc" would be a good name). Also, I don't know if putting putting ALL of the fillers in one article would be convenient, as there'd be two navigation boxes (and possibly more in the future) in the article. Maybe give episodes 101-106 their own article? Having never watched the fillers, I'm not going to touch them, so someone else can figure out what to do with them.

Also, I took the liberty of doing the first proposed article, which can be seen here. Although it didn't turn out to be as short as I'd have liked it to be, it's about 25 Kb smaller than all of the sources I took it from combined. Also, the episode details increase the size about 7 Kb, so I think the size is acceptable. I haven't added added images yet, nor have I tried to cut anything out (which I fail at anyway), and there may be more headers than necessary. Finally, I think there's a noticeable tense change between what I just copied and pasted and what I wrote myself, so that can be fixed at some point. But still, I think it's pretty nice if I do say so myself. ~SnapperTo 00:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

We'll need to work out a proper title for the latest arcs. What you've got so far is pretty good. The 101-106 filler can be lumped into the other fillers. We'll just make a note of the break. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I added a bunch of links I think will work as titles, save for that last one. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode on its way to deletion

There seems to be great confusion on Wikipedia regarding episode articles. Episode 208 is up for deletion. If it goes, that sets a precedence that all episode articles should be deleted or merged, except for maybe a dozen or so key episodes. I thought it'd pass the deletion attempt since the batch of episodes as a whole had previously survived a deletion attempt. No matter which way the vote goes, it seems that we have to start discussing right now exactly how we're going to clean up some of the mess (i.e. the stubs) and more efficient ways to archive detailed plot and episode trivia if we're not allowed to make individual articles. And, I suppose, we should take a close look and decide honestly if we need such detailed episode summaries, since their presence obviously seem to bother many Wikipedians (despite the fact that there are more Naruto images than episode articles). –Gunslinger47 00:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing particularly wrong with having them. This is just another battle in the ongoing debate between include or delete. That said, quite a few could use expansion. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Capital letters

This page needs to use proper capitalization. In an episose title all words other than articles (a, an, the), conjoing conjunctions (and, or, nor, but), and prepositions less than five letters long are to be capitalized. The words "is" and "be" are included in this. It does not matter how the original author wrote it as usually titles are in all capital letters for aesthetic reasons. Jay32183 23:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, in English there is no standard way of how to capitalize for emphasis. It is Wikipedia's policy to never capitalize unnecessarily. The translated titles are not official, so we're not going to decide what capitals go where because it'd be entirely arbitrary, depending on our country of origin and a thousand other factors. On the other hand, the dubbed episodes do come with capitals, so we use them without argument. –Gunslinger47 08:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
The Naruto dubbed episodes use the exact capitalization I specified in TV Guide listings. I have only altered official titles. The subbed only episodes shold use the same capitalization for consistency though.Jay32183 02:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Ah, sorry. I didn't think the dubs had gotten that far, for some reason. –Gunslinger47 03:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
The episode I changed was tonight's actually. Sorry if I sounded rude. Jay32183 03:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Airdates

Are the episodes ever going to be airdated? (Aside from the Japanese airdates.) ChunkyKong12345 03:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Why is the original airdate of a dubbed episode notable within the context of this list? If you refer to the individual episode articles, such as Enter: Naruto Uzumaki!, you'll see that many of them already contain the information you're looking for. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gunslinger47 (talk • contribs).
I meant in the individual episode articles. The only ones that have airdates other than the Japanese one are the first three. ChunkyKong12345 03:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Cough. ChunkyKong12345 00:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Differing episode names

Could someone please explain to me why the names of the episodes differ on this page to that of a specific episode?--Salvax T - C--04:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Your question is a bit vague, so forgive me if I answer the wrong question.
  • The translations for the episode titles from Dattebayo or other subber groups is not official, and often times we disagree with them regarding their translations (such as with The enemy is "Shinobazu") and we have different guidelines for capitalization.
  • The series is in the process of being translated. When a new episode comes out in English, we start to refer to the episode by its official English title. This title will often differ greatly from the verbose Japanese titles that preceded them.
  • The names of the episodes on this list might differ from the episode article that it links to. I can't find any example of this, at the moment, but I've seen it before. I don't quite know why this happens, but my best guess is that it's because it's much easier to change the name here than it'd be to move the page. Opposition might be encountered, and you can't move over a redirect (I believe) unless you're an administrator. The Shinobazu episode was renamed back and forth on this page countless times because we disagreed with Dattebayo's translation. –Gunslinger47 08:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Some of the episode names do differ from the episode article they link to. I've found quite a few examples whilst i've been moving the articles to match naming conventions (and disambiguation guildlines). The differences is due to the use of a piped link. I've gotten rid of it (so they link directly to the article). I'm not sure exactly which one is the correct title (as in the one on this page of the actual name of the episode article), so if there's any problems, feel free to change it. Just remember to move the article as well, because having the actual episode article at a different names makes it really confusing for readers.

You can move over a redirect if the redirect is caused by a move itself (i've done it before). As for Dattebayo's translations - well...can't you guys sort of just, agree to a temporary truce? Or just not have an english name at all? Since, naruto is from my understanding one of the most popular anime amoungst english fans. So wouldn't you like...not have to wait all that long between Dattebayo's fansub release and an actual official english release? --`/aksha 09:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naruto Episodes Clean-up

I posted a long-ish spiel on the Naruto episode article set in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga#Naruto Episodes Clean-up. Please leave any suggestion/comments/etc on my proposal there. Thanks, --Phirazo 06:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The episode 216/217 titles

The more I look at them, the more I think this is one big mistake. I'm thinking these are leaked titles from Shippuuden that were mistaken for regular Naruto titles. Let's look at these facts: In Newtype's summary of the 214-215 special, they make no mention of any big manga events. They just keep talking about the current filler story arc. Which means...

  • There's no episode of Naruto leaving Konoha
  • There's no Kakashi Gaiden
  • There's no return to Konoha/second bell test

It skips straight to Gaara vs. Deidara, which is just weird. Furthermore, the next title seems to be the one where Team Kakashi sets off to Sunagakure, which would mean all of Gaara vs. Deidara would be in that one episode... which I don't think is possible. Plus the fact that Shippuuden isn't set to air until February.

Do you think we should remove these titles until we get some kind of other confirmation? I really think this is just a big mistake by the syoboi site. The Splendiferous Gegiford 02:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

They've got a good track record. Leave them be. Dates and times can change. The titles are misleading some of the time, too. those– Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Given the state of the anime right now, I think A.N.N. might actually be more accurate this time. [They currently have listed: 216. Memories of a hidden past 217. The long awaited departure, farewell] These titles make a bit more sense. Plus, if Naruto was to leave to go train or whatever [I never read the manga] on ep. 217 on Jan. 18th, wouldn't that leave just enough time to air Kakashi Gaiden right before N:HC airs on Feb. 15th?--Whoa2000 19:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
ANN is never more accurate. Ignore it, seriously. Anyone can post episode titles there, and they don't require references.
Regarding the episode titles, my best guess (assuming the titles are correct) is that they are filler episodes intended to remind the audience of who the Sand ninja are. We haven't seen Gaara since March 2005. Twenty-one months is a long time for the target audience. –Gunslinger47 22:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
That sounds like a reasonable conclusion. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, that does make sense. Also, nevermind what I said; ANN just changed to [sort-of] reflect what's recorded here.--Whoa2000 07:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
They miss-read Shukaku (守鶴? lit. nursing crane). The kanji does not use its native pronunciation (mamori tsuru). –Gunslinger47 09:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
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