Talk:List of MMORPGs

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[edit] How to organize?

How are we gonna organize this? ITs rather confusing as it exists right now. Should we use a table template similar to something in like List of Gradius titles? I think we should have some kind of brief classification information. opssible

I reccomend two initial hiearchies: free, and commercial. each of which break down into sub genres. IMO whether the graphics are sprite based or 3d doesnt have much impact. I think the lists should be split by genre. Next to games that are no longer around (inactive) we should put next ot it "(Inactive as of XX/XX/XX)"

Do we want to get as detailed as the next section talks about (expanding the list ...)? If its possible id say do so, but I want to intially focus on what is absolutely necessary for this page to become usable.

Just some ideas. --Larsinio 20:50, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree, the way it is now, its easy for one game to fit into multiple categories. The categories need to complement each other and all be of the same type. --Naha|(talk) 04:41, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
The vast majority of MMORPGs would fall under the "Fantasy" genre, then there would be Sci-Fi and possibly Cyberpunk or something. There really are very few MMORPG genres. I think a simple alphabetized list would be best since confusion could, and would arise over whether a specific game is one genre or another. --Kevin 05:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Try organizing it by genre and tne puting them from most popular to least popular and then putting an asterisk next to games that can be played for free. --Alythria
I have organized the List of free MMORPGs in much the same way as was planned here. I could reorganize this list, along with merge the free list, to create one master list of all MMORPGs using categories such as 2D, 3D, Free to Play, Pay to Play, Free Trial, and such (much like the List of free MMORPGs). If a few people agree I'll get started asap. --Odie5533 18:56, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Another thing you might want to consider is a tag for the platform for ease of viewing? PS2/PC/Mac/GC/XBOX 360/XBOX, or something. So that one doesn't have to visit every link individually to be able to tell.

[edit] Expanding the list of 3D MMORPGs

I'd like to expand the 3d section of this list to provide more information on each game, on a single page. The items I would like to include, that I've thought of so far are:

  • name, developer, publisher
  • one line summary of theme/plot
  • number of subscribers
  • peak activity to date
  • age
  • whether RMT is officially: banned, permitted, or supported
  • size of development staff if available
  • real world region with most popularity
  • name of currency and rough exchange rate to US dollar (added 10/28)

I realize this means changing the structure of this section a little bit, and being relatively new to Wikipedia, I'm all ears for ideas of how best to format the information. It would be nice if the resulting list were sortable by different fields, but I don't think wikipedia does that, right? So the two questions are:

  • how should this best be displayed
  • what other fields should be included when doing research

I'll give at least a week before I get started for comments --Duozmo 11:35, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Since this list is under constant evolution, it might be best to keep it simple, like most lists, and leave specifics to the relevant articles. Otherwise, I believe an approximate size of the playerbase and the date of conception could indeed be relevant to the casual browser. -- Jean-Philippe 11:50, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Ok, I see where you are coming from. One point I should make is that I am willing (and plan to) do all the work for this, initially. I will try to keep the facts & figures up to date but I can't promise that, so perhaps that is a reason not to do it at all. The bigger issue is that looking at the list of MMORPGs, I can't really tell what games are serious and have caught on, and which haven't. There's nothing to differentiate them, which is what I'm really interested in correcting. --Duozmo 21:09, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I've done some research and it's become clear to me that I in fact can not handle this project. What I've done is merged the data from two data sources: Wikipedia and MMORPG.com. What I found is that there is depressingly little overlap (about 30%) between the two lists, and I came up with a list of 256 individual MMOGs in the end. I thought the dataset would be a lot less, so it's too much for me. If anyone wants to help, or just to have my data, please leave a note on my talk page. Barring that, I'm afraid I have to back out of this project. --Duozmo 14:53, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Idea: Separate between concept/in development/released/dead games would be nice

[edit] Rename to List of MMOGs

Shouldn't this be renamed/moved (however it works) to List of MMOGs seing as how games like Shattered Galaxy are not Role Playing at all? ampre 06:51, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

I agree, MMOG would be a more accurate title.

--Kevin 00:01, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)
I second that. List of MMOGs would be a fit title for this list. --Odie5533 18:56, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... Realms of Chaos and PlaneShift in one category? I like both! But PlaneShift is a 3D game while RoC is a text MUD. Not to say most MUDs are free! [Not like 3D MMORPGs ;)] --80.98.246.64 05:35, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)


Dungeon Siege? Someone needs to categorize this list, as well as move entries to other pages. This is a list of MMORPGs, not a list of MMOs or multiplayer games.

i think many of these games should be off the list this should be strictly for mmorpg. maybe we could have a definition at the front of this article on what an mmorpg is to lower the number who put a game in the wrong catagory. other then your examples there is also achea (i think that is it) if you go into the artcle the title is achea(mud) so why is this in the mmorpg catagory.

What do you think of adding some kind of info about Free Trials? Colorfast 00:57, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Huh? Maple Story is 3D? Either I'm not picking up on something, or someone didn't do his/her homework. The Trashman 23:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I noticed this too.. Last time I checked, "MapleStory is a free 2D side-scrolling MMORPG". --Kit 03:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Free Games

Some indication of what games are free would be great as well. I like the trial idea too.


~TonFP

I don't believe this should be included, the notion of what game's free or not is too broad, many if not most commercial games offer free trials, and sometime, games that advertise themself as free do provide added content to paying customers (see Anarchy Online, "Other Notes"). I'll remove the relevant section from the list. --Jean-Philippe 12:11, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

~ I think this should be included with the games when they are listed. Choose one of four categories: all free, free trial, pay for features, and not free.

All Free: Money is not needed and will have no effect on your account status Free Trial: You must pay after a certain time Pay For Features: You can play for free, but some part of the game cost money Not Free: Pay to play. Cannot do anything without money

[edit] How about changing this to a table?

I'm thinking something like Comparison of handheld gaming consoles. I would suggest to only do this for major titles, with some minimal number of active players. If we do this I would create some templates that would make editing the table code a lot easier. Another possibility would be to create another article, Comparison of major MMORPGs. Dab:

[edit] General Information

Developer First public release date Game series Cost / Cost per month (USD) Platform
World of Warcraft Blizzard Entertainment November 23, 2004 Warcraft $50 / $15 PC

[edit] Further details

Active subscribers Genre Gameplay focus Another detail And another
World of Warcraft  ? Fantasy PVP Woo Hoo

This table obviously is something I made up in two minutes. So, several questions:

  • Is this a good idea to do?
  • What fields should we have in the table? Please suggest better ones.
  • Should the requirement for being on the list be active subscribers, or peak subscibers. If we use peak then we could include old games such as UO and Everquest that aren't really being played any longer but are an important part of MMORPG history.

If there's some animo I might nominate this for the WP:GCOTW. Jacoplane 10:17, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

    • Anyone? Jacoplane 19:45, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm not too familiar with the article, but it looks like the table would be a huge improvement. I think your General Information table would probably make the most sense to implement (at first, at least.) Mrtea 03:32, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Might I suggest checking the page MMORPG.com for relevant columns to include. Anywayz, I would agree with going to a table form...otherwise this page might as well be a category page. --Prod-You 00:25, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Looks good. If only all lists were as beautiful. Also as a suggestion for field types, depending on which games will qualify for the table format, I think a "Gameplay Type" column would be helpful for seperating the many different types of games from each other. (mainly, tick-based browser games and real-time standalone games) Kil 15:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
    • This is a good idea, but think about removing general subscribers, to remove the load on the updaters???

Philip

I'm all for the table idea! But first, I think the categories need to be redone, per my comment at the top of this page. --Naha|(talk) 04:43, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Also, you may want to differentiate between 'PC' and 'PC/Mac', seeing as WoW is clearly the latter, and this may make people think otherwise.

[edit] Updating page

I'll be creating the new table as I described above. I won't put it in the article yet, but will be working on it under List of MMORPGs/Temp. I'll get started on it later today. Jacoplane 12:29, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Please have a look at the temp page. There's a to do on the talk page. As I mentioned there, I have a document with data that I'm trying to use, but I'm having problems with that. Please comment! Jacoplane 10:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
I think you should drop the further details table and the Game Series column. It looks great otherwise :) --Kevin 20:11, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Looks great so far! We should put it in alphabetical order at some point hehe. --Naha|(talk) 13:53, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Neopets

There is some confusion over whether Neopets is a MMORPG or not. Could someone please clear this up? If it is, should Neopets Premium be listed separately since the Premium version is a pay to play?


I don't think it is because the neopets "world" is set up differently. It's more computer based than user based and you rarely interact with other players in person.--Alythria

[edit] Text-based MMORPGs?

Should there be a category for Text? At the moment one exists with 14 entrys. A text MMO is a MUD, there are countless numbers of MUDs out there. (see http://www.mudconnect.com/), should there be a seperate list for MUDs?

[edit] Discuss merge with List of free MMORPGs

  • Support - bring that list into this article, but make it a list/table/as discussed above, not an advertising page for each site. -- MrDolomite | Talk 15:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Support ~ I agree, but it should be a bit of an advertising thing, except not an advertisment, like it is now, with a little description for each game so you know what your getting into and you don't have to wait for the site's main page to load if your not interested. ~VNinja~ 01:57, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

i vote against the merging of the two lists. arg.

  • Neutral As long as the free mmorpgs is a subdirectory of list of mmorpgs. Please discuss if you are neutral as well.

--• Storkian • 23:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Oppose I'm too tight to shell out on these things - having the free ones all together makes it much easier to find one I like. MikesPlant 16:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose Same reason as above, I think that a lot of people LOOK FOR the free ones specifically. I might support if you merged it into the other article but had 2 seperate tables for the p2p and the freebies, but would need to see a preview. Implementing a table WOULD be a good feature for this article, as it is a little too disorganized considering it is trying to compare many similar things. Might add a column of wether or not it has an in game cash shop.

--Rgb9000

  • Oppose Read above, but I also agree with what the supporters are saying about the advertisment-like format. That needs to be changed. Djsonik 00:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose A list's purpose is to organize things so they can easily be located. Putting the free MMO's with subscription games would defeat the purpose.

[edit] Renaissance War

What is this game? I for one, have never of it. Has anyone else? - Sammy

[edit] GunBound

Unless they killed the old GunBound and made a totally new game in its place, GunBound is NOT an MMORPG in ANY sense of the term. Therefore, I removed it from the article.

Oops, forgot to sign the above edit. Viltris 21:20, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. In gunbound, you play the ROLE of a little boy/girl who pilots various and asundry vehicles in an effort to destroy another team. The storyline may not be as deep (read: virtually nonexistant) as other RPGs, and I can see where you are coming from, BUT there are guilds, player inventories, trading, chat rooms, buddy lists and other features common among all MMORPGs. Plus it is famous for being a free MMO and has been around for a very long time. I won't readd it myself but I think it deserves a little consideration. After all, in what category would you place it if not here? And do you really want to segment and categorize free online games that far?

--Rgb9000

If thats the case, then any game could be considered an RPG where people interact. The thing is, is that its not set-up to BE a roleplaying game. It set up to be a turn-based strategy shooting game(Same as Worms World Party). You can Roleplay in a multiplayer "Unreal Tournament" game, but that doesnt make it an RPG.
Also, just because it shares features doesnt make it an RPG. Just because WoW has a buddylist, doesnt mean that Gunbound is an RPG just because it has a buddylist. Almost any game that has you subscribe can have a buddylist.

--SSLRranma

I agree with SSLRranma. A genre name is more than just the sum of the words. Just because you play a role doesn't make it a role-playing game. ('Cause if that were true, almost EVERY game would be an RPG, because in almost every game, you play a role, be it from Mario to starfighter pilot to random NFL football team coach. Not only that, but most games would also be strategy games, 'cause most games are strategy. Summary: Playing a role != role-playing.)
Not only that, but GunBound doesn't even match all the words in the term MMORPG. It's multiplayer, but it's not MASSIVELY multiplayer. There are at most 8 players in one game. If you consider that "massively" multiplayer... well, no. Just... just no. Massively is some thousands of players in a world simultaneously, like WoW or Final Fantasy 11 (just to name the recent popular ones). Viltris 23:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


There are at least 1000 people online at peak times on Gunbound: Revolution, however I'm not really sure about Gunbound: World Champion, however, even though I wouldn't call Gunbound an MMORPG, I would call it an MMO. 75.177.29.207 23:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry that was me, forgot to sign Lyoko is Cool 23:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of MMORPGs/Temp

I'd object in the strongest possible way to having the page changed to a table. It makes maintenance much harder, and discourages very new users from adding material. - brenneman {L} 11:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IMVU

I removed IMVU, as this is in every essence a Internet Messenger program, not a game, let alone a MMORPG. --211.26.90.27 23:11, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Microsoft Flight Simulator

I am removing this clearly because it is not an MMORPG. 75.177.29.207 23:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry that was me, forgot to sign Lyoko is Cool 23:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
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