Talk:List of LGBT Jews

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Contents 1 Sergei Eistenstein 2 Guido Westerwelle 3 Is This page offensive ? 4 Higher Percentage of Gays/Lesbians Found in Modern Jews -- Research 5 Magneto (from X-Men) was gay? 6 References

[edit] Sergei Eistenstein

I never realised Eisenstein was gay. Can anyone find me some evidence to support this?

See for example his GLBTQ entry. Though, having said that, it may be worth moving him to the "debated orientation" section. -Udzu 20:30, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Guido Westerwelle

I removed Guido Westerwelle as he seems not to be Jewish. According to this bio sheet he belongs to the Evangelical Church in Germany. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 18:09, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Is This page offensive ?

This page isn't fair to Jewish people. It should be removed because it is defaming Jews. 69.218.181.192 20:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure of that, but by the same token I'm not sure why this intersection is important. As far as I can tell there are no other LGBT lists by ethnicity or nationality. There's no List of LGBT Germans, List of LGBT English, or List of LGBT Japanese. There's also none by religion if one takes that approach. It is possible that this does serve "a message" that Jewish people are more socially liberal/progressive, but whether that "message" is praise or defamation depends on one's perception.--T. Anthony 13:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

In re the first comment above, this page does not defame Jews in any way. It is merely a list of people who happen to be both Jewish and lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender. Ask any one of the people on the list (except the dead, of course) and I think you will find they perfectly proud to be Jewish and perfectly proud to be lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender. I am quite sure they do not feel in any way defamed - and since they're the people who are listed, they're the ones who would rightly have any right to complain if they felt they were being defamed.

In re the second comment, I don't know that any of the lists which appear anywhere in the Wikipedia are important. Indeed, when one thinks of encyclopaedias, one does not think of a collection of lists. For whatever reasons, the editorial board of the Wikipedia decided that this endcyclopaedia does contain a number of lists -- of people, places, things, etc., of all kinds; including, obviously, a list of LGBT Jews. If there are no lists of LGBT Britons, Americans, Germans, Japanese, Christians, etc., perhaps that's just because nobody from one of those groups has gotten around to creating a list yet. Perhaps they will now.

207.200.116.203 09:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Higher Percentage of Gays/Lesbians Found in Modern Jews -- Research

I'm wondering if anyone has come across any serious scholarly research that has examined the fact that Jews tend to be quite overrepresented amongst the gay and lesbian populations in the modern World, particularly in the USA and Western Europe. I have read about this on certain Jewish websites and in a couple Jewish newsletters/newspapers, but have yet to find any academic research on this matter. I know that the worldwide Jewish community is generally very gay/lesbian friendly, but I am looking for information/statistics that have has confirmed the noticeably higher incidence of homosexuality/lesbianism in the (mostly secular) Jewish population. Thank you for any information that you can provide. --205.188.116.73 16:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Magneto (from X-Men) was gay?

I thought he was just Jewish. His article says nothing of his sexual orientation.

He definitely has sexual relationships with women. I suspect soemone has put him on there becasue Ian McKellen, the man who plays him in the film and very, very gay. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 13:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Well. There has been a certain amount of fan speculation about his relationship with Charles Xavier in various universes, particularly the Ultimate line of comics, where they run away from their wives together and describe the experience as "far more powerful than being in love". Arguably, this is simply an example of the somewhat overwrought behavior to which Marvel comics characters are prone. My own opinion aside, I'm going to remove him, since nothing is or is likely to be verifiable. —Celithemis 03:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

Just a small point. But almost no one in this list has a reference! It is a controversial subject and the list includes many living people. Each entry needs to be properly referenced. Really all those without references should be moved here. I won't though as I'm rather busy with other LGBT lists... Please can contributors make an effort to find a source for those in this list? -WJBscribe ^{(WJB talk)} 12:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

For Jewish references A-E, check this revision of my drafts page. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 13:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Brilliant! I'll get to work on incorporating those... -WJBscribe ^{(WJB talk)} 14:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)