Talk:List of Final Fantasy IV characters

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article or template is part of WikiProject Final Fantasy, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Final Fantasy on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.

[edit] Palom and Porom

I think the pictures of Palom and Porom are mislabelled. The one shown beside Palom, I believe, is actually of Porom, and vice versa. Could anyone confirm this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.107.224.195 (talk • contribs) .

• Palom has the red cape. Porom has the green cape. The spirtes just have the wrong names. Play the game for confirmation? — warpedmirror (talk) 01:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Art

Perhaps the official art for these characters would serve as better visuals? The sprites (especially at this size) are unsightly and pixellated. I know no official art likely exists for some of them (like Anna, Kokkol, etc), but I know it does exist for all the main characters, Zemus included. --Dalkaen^T/C 16:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

• The only I possibly see with this is that all of the images are very different in size (some are vertical, some horizontal) and could possibly be just as unsightly with all of the inconsistency. Anyway, perhaps when Final Fantasy IV Advance is released it will have less pixelated graphics we can use to portray the characters. — Warpedmirror 03:45, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Alright, I changed the template to include Amano's artwork and the sprites at a smaller size to become less pixellated. Thoughts? warpedmirror (talk) 17:53, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Good job on that. I like the new design, although the sprites in the "Other non-player characters" section are still huge. --Dalkaen^T/C 22:03, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
      • FF4 Advanced is out (which I've been playing through), and it looks to me like while the sprites are not higher resolution, they DO have a higher bitdepth (more colours used). So many of them look quite a bit nicer than the SNES ones presented here. In addition, some of the sprites, most notably those use for villains, need to be properly resized using bilinear or bicubic filtering, as they are being shrunk to fit in their allotted space. Guspaz 20:27, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Names to use

I wanted to point out that between the three English versions of Final Fantasy IV, different names of some characters (specifically the Elemental Fiends/Devils/Lords) have changed throughout. I updated the page to use the FFIV Advance names of these four characters - as they are clearly references to The Divine Comedy. With a new, thinner font in the Game Boy Advance enhanced remake more room was provided in the enemy box to fit in the full names of Scarmiglione, Barbariccia, etc. I propose that names used in the most recent translation of the game should be used in this article (as well as the other FF character articles). Any oppositions? — warpedmirror (talk) 20:04, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I have no oppositions to the using of the GBA names for the Fiends, as they are obviously a reference to the Divine Comedy, but I feel the Four "Elemental Lords" should remain referred to as the Four Fiends. The Four Fiends of Final Fantasy IV are obviously a reference (or rebirth, if you believe all the Final Fantasies are connected) to the Four Fiends of Final Fantasy I. In the GBA rerelease of Final Fantasy I in Dawn of Souls, the four are still referred to as the Four Fiends, and they always have been called the Four Fiends in America. Plus the Four Elemental Lords just sounds retarded. I suggest referring to them as "The Four Fiends (Elemental Lords in the GBA rerelease)" as opposed to "The Four Elemental Lords (Fiends in the SNES and PS1 releases)" But leave the actual names as they are. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.206.249.138 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 30 December 2005(UTC).

Yes, but there is the question of continuity. No release of FFIV ever calls Scarmiglione an Elemental Fiend. And why would Square Enix retranslate the term from Fiend to Lord if they wanted them to be referred to as Lords? It is generally accepted that the games in the main FF series are not connected. No one makes any reference to the Light Warriors or the FFI quest in FFIV. And while I do agree that Fiends sounds better than Lords, that doesn't really justify that it should be used. — warpedmirror (talk) 19:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

There are a lot of retranslations in the new rerelease that would have made more sense untranslated. Are you saying you believe it's better to remove the connection of the Four Fiends of FFI and the Four "Elemental Lords" of FFIV? Whether the FFs are related or not, it's obvious that a connection is meant to be there. If Square had retranslated the characters in Dawn of Souls as the Four Elemental Lords, then I would understand your choice to choose it over Fiends. I'd be interested in seeing whether the direct translation of the group in Dawn of Souls is Elemental Lords, as I suspect, or Fiends. If they're named differently in Japan, then there's no question about it, but otherwise, I think it should be left as Fiends. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AstroFlameX (talk • contribs) 23:00, 7 January 2006 (UTC).

The new trivia section (hopefully) clears everything up. The article uses the most recent translation, but makes it clear that the original translation was Fiends — a blatant reference to the characters in a group of the same found in FFI and FFIX. I hope this resolves everything. (Also, note that it is custom to sign your posts on Wikipedia. Do this by adding four tildes (~~~~) to each post you make on a talk page.) — warpedmirror (talk) 23:59, 8 January 2006 (UTC)