Talk:List of Doctor Who villains

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So far, this page is redundant, as there is a list of Doctor Who villains in the List of supporting characters in Doctor Who. One should be folded into the other. -khaosworks 22:10, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

It should be merged with the other one but the other ones should also have the links to te pages

all the creatures on this page have been added so this can go

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[edit] Solon and Morbius

Khaosworks said in an edit summary, "Solon seems to have a lot of redundant info. Do we really need it? Raise objections to deletion on talk, if any." I assume you're referring to the redundancies between the Solon and Morbius entries. If there's any info that you think we can eliminate from one or the other, feel free, but I think that a lot of the duplicated info is important to both characters. After all, Solon is probably most noteworthy for having created the Morbius monster, and the transfer of Moribius' brain to that monster is an important part of Morbius' story. But if you can winnow my logorrhea down, please do so! :)

We might want to add something about the components of the monster to the Morbius entry, too: the arm of a Solonian mutant (there's an alien we should add to List of Doctor Who aliens), the lungs of a Birostrop (sp?), etc. I don't remember the rest of the bits and bobs, though — if nobody else remembers them either, I'll try to watch the story or at least dig up the novelization. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:43, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

My concern, really, is whether or not Solon is notable enough on his own to warrant an entry, or whether he's so intimately tied with Morbius that he might as well be dealt with within the body of that entry itself. It's kind of like, for the sake of argument, if we had an entry for Nyder, who's just as inextricably linked with Davros. Is there a way to merge the two? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 05:48, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... maybe. Is it really that different from having listings for the Editor and the Jagrafess, though? (I'm playing devil's advocate here, a bit.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps not, but having separate entries for those two is historical in nature - both were horrifically written stubs that I rewrote into passable articles rather than having to trudge through AfD, and the got pasted in when we created this listing. I would definitely not object to a merger of those two, either (although that is quite a nice picture of Simon Pegg). --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 06:00, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't object terribly to a merger of Solon and Morbius, although I think that they're each noteworthy in their own fashion (essentially as Dr. Frankenstein and his monster, both interesting characters). I suppose the question to be answered is whether the page benefits from having them both or not. I'm not sure what the answer is, although I would suggest that it's not actively harmed. I'll go with your judgment, and that of the other editors, though. Does anyone else have an opinion on the matter? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:23, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unusual Page Order Justified?

I wondered, in the case of this page, would it be worth moving the See also section to the top of the page? I appreciate this isn't usual wikipedia styles, but I think the Manual of Style says that the guidelines can be over-ruled where there is a good case. In the case of this page, someone arriving would be able to look at the alternative pages and decide which of them the character/being/whatever they were looking for is most likely to be on. Just a thought. Jamse 16:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, we don't have to break with MoS. Just a little link to the section below will do. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 17:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Line in Fenric should be altered?

The line 'The haemovores were strong enough to be able to weld metal with their bare hands, and were also immune to bullets' doesn't sound right to me. Did the original author mean to type weld? Surely something like bend would be more appropriate? --Brerbunny 16:20, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe there is one instance in Curse of Fenric where a haemovore actually fuses metal with its bare hands. Welding does not always require heat; uniting metal parts by hammering and compressing without previous heating is also termed welding (according to Mirriam-Webster, anyway). --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:26, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lumic

Lumic has no main article, and I can't seem to edit his entry. What should we do? 84.64.131.139 09:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Lumic doesn't deserve an individual article as he only appeared in one story. He's mentioned here. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 09:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Daleks

Erm, why? We already have one main article on them, this is (sorry to be blunt) poorly written, and finally isn't this section about individual villans rather than villanous races? I'm giving a grace period, but is it right for me to delete this? The_B 19:03, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Beast

I have uploaded an image here but I'm not sure whether to include it as the actual image of The Beast as we are not sure yet if this is exactly The Beast, or just some sort of projection of how The Beast is, as we haven't really seen the Beast yet other than the projection which flashed briefly in the episode The Impossible Planet. So, should I include it or not? The_B 16:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jagrafess

Not that it proves anything, but Rose and the Doctor refer to the 'jagrafess' as if it was a race, not a person. If that's the case, then The Mighty Jagrafess of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxarodenfoe could just be the title given to the one we see on screen. Is this notable? RobbieG 20:38, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too big

This page is too big and needs to be cut down to size (it is currently one of the 1000 longest pages on wikipedia.) As per Talk:List of Doctor Who monsters and aliens, we could either cut down the entries or merge one off villains with their episode/serial. Tim! 11:33, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

In anticipation of the cull here which will undoubdtedly mirror the Species page, I have examined the 7 entries I wrote and decided that they restate data from the individual stories concerned and nothing else. There would be no point moving the text elsewhere as it would add no value to the other page, so I've just deleted them. Hope this makes the general dismemberment a bit easier for others. And yes, I vote for the evisceration of this page. Litefoot 13:09, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abzorbaloff's homeworld

According to the subtitles on my TV, it's spelt 'Clom', but if anyone else has another source spelling it... Loyh 14:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

BBC's Doctor Who website's spelling = "Klom" RobbieG 08:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Update - Except for the 'Downloads' page where they've spelled it as "Clom". Oh dear, make up your minds, BBC people! If you don't know, who does? RobbieG 09:23, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
This month's Doctor Who Magazine has spelt it "Clom" as well. --DaveJB 10:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Why is this here

Why is rassilon and master of the land of fiction here!They are not villans. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.139.49.56 (talk • contribs).

The Master of the Land of Fiction played a villainous role throughout most of The Mind Robber. Rassilon is a sinister figure in the Big Finish audios. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 13:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Absorbaloff

Should he not be in the Monsters list instead? After all - in the first line he is described as a "monster". Or is he here beacuse he is an individual with a name? Thanks.Wolf of Fenric 04:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nimrod, Timewyrm & co

Should non-canonical villains be listed on this page? Shouldn't they have their own spin-off page, as with spin-off companions? Wolf of Fenric 06:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How so, Khaosworks?

After I added some more villains on to the list, they were removed and the only 'explanation' that was provided on the article's history page was as follows; "we're heading into kitchen sink territory...", says Khaosworks. How so? I have merely attempted to list the key villains from televised Doctor Who stories, for example Helen A - central to The Happiness Patrol, and Gavrok - the key villain in Delta and the Bannermen This article claims to be a 'List of Doctor Who villains' - so why not include these? Why should it not be a comprehensive and accurate list as oppose to seemingly a list of your choice favourites or those you deem, subjectively, to be of key importance? Furthermore, surely those that I attempted to add, established as firmly canonical villains owing to the fact that they appeared in televised stories, deserve a place on this list ahead of non-canonical villains such as Nimrod and Timewyrm, that I see you have not taken it upon yourself to remove? Please in future provide more convincing explanations for alterations you choose to make. Thank you. Wolf of Fenric 08:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Not every villain needs that amount of detail. Over the course of 40 years, there are many, many villains that have been mere blips in the public consciousness; in fact, this page could due with more paring down.
In actuality, many of these villain entries don't really have to be that long - a one line/paragraph descriptor is often enough and the rest can be referred to the relevant episode article.
I think this page could do with a revamp in this fashion, end up looking like List of Doctor Who items or List of Torchwood items, and remove all the infoboxes. However, this would be quite a radical change, so does anyone have any thoughts on this proposal? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 08:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Yvonne confusion resolved?

So, since Doomsday aired, there's been a lot of confusion about what happened to Yvonne, last seen as a Cyberman- was she sucked through the void? Did she stay like Torchwood's Lisa? If she stayed, then what? It's even been an issue raised in DWM by at least one reader. Perhaps, then, this page from the Torchwood website is meant to provide the explanation? Note the report states "it" (and it can't be a Dalek as there really would be no logical explanation for one of them being stuck on Earth) was found by some stairs- the last place we see Yvonne in the episode. Seems to me it's meant to be taken as a case of dramatic irony, with the reader knowing the final Cyberman killed is actually the boss of the Torchwood employees who killed it? What are everyone's thoughts on this? --L T Dangerous 00:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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