Talk:List of Christian metal bands
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What about bands like Blindside, boysetsfire or Thrice? Don't they have a certain christian influence? /arnewpunkt
The net is full of crappy listings, which try to mention every "Christian" band who has a shitty live tape or a picture on the internet. If we want such a list to wikipedia, there must be clear principles. Classifying by letter does not make much sense to me, as the name doesn't usually tell much about the band. I suggest the bands would be classified either by subgenre or region (country). Only major bands should be accepted, ie. bands that have several official (full-length) releases, or bands that are otherwise remarkable.
If the bands are to be classified regionally, the subgenre should be mentioned after the name, or if classified by subgenre, then vice versa. --theologist
Where's Dream Theater, P.O.D. ? [Tempus]
Dream Theater is not a Christian band, however I will add P.O.D. - AugustWinterman
[edit] Notability
There has today been a lot of new articles created that have been linked from this page. They have all been deleted because they were either copyvios, or did not express notability. Just a friendly note, before anyone else wastes their time creating articles only for them to be deleted 20 minutes later. The JPS talk to me 20:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Citations Needed
I believe many of these bands need citations. I have been a follower of the CM scene since I was 7 years old (20 years later...) and haven't heard of many of these bands. This list should be reserved to bands that are significant in some manner, not just an everyday garage band. --One Redeemer 19:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)Iamvery
[edit] Disturbed
Hold on. I like Disturbed, but their lead singer, David Draiman, is Jewish. His grandfather is a holocaust survivor. Based upon this, how is Disturbed considered Christian Metal? Can someone explain?
[edit] Black Metal bands
I've added quiet a few black metal bands... most of them you probably have never heard of... before you delete them, go look them up, I spent hours researching them, they're all safe =] Roozbenjrox 13:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Also, quite a few of the bands I added are from Europe, Mexico, etc. So the lyrics are in Spanish/Ukraine etc. not English, does anyone think we should have non-English bands? Roozbenjrox 13:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- There is no such thing as Christian 'black metal'. Even if 'Christian metal' is not an oxymoron, Christian 'black metal' certainly is. Especially if they are 'safe'. Add them, by all means, if they are notable, but do not call them 'black metal'. The Crying Orc 15:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Then what do we call them? Unblack Metal, White Metal? Sounds stupid to me, it's just a name. They have almost every element of black metal, except the lyrics, so why call it something else? And how does it not exist... How many black metal bands that label themselves as Christian call themselves "White metal" or whatever suits you? Roozbenjrox 12:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I removed them, as none of them had articles. --Inhumer 06:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
You can't have a black metal band with pro-Christian lyrics anymore than you can have a realist painting with unicorns in it. It's physically impossible. Ours18 17:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Says who Ours18? you? Are you the god of metal and only what you say can be metal is metal? All hail Ours18 "THE METAL GOD" - ETAC
[edit] Corrected Links
I added some (band) notations to the groups whose links were to the wrong pages. I do not know whether any of these bands would have pages, maybe someone should check this out. While said person is checking it out, please to check also if they are really Christian bands. While I was at it, I removed the link to System of a Down, but not before making sure they weren't really a Christian band. A quick check of the lyrical content reassures me of this. Jlricherson 04:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- I added SOAD and trust me they are Christian, look at the lyrics to Question! and Soldier Side. Also I added Flaw and someone deleted them, look at the lyrics to Whole. --Trusader 22:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
One or two songs don't make a band christian --Inhumer 02:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
- So if there was a small band with only 4 songs and all contained the exact lyrics "I am Christian!" They wouldn't be christian because it is only a few songs. --Trusader 04:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- Those were just a few. Chop Suey references the death of Jesus for example. Please, trust me they are christian --Trusader 19:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
No, They're not. --Inhumer 00:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Also, SOAD and Flaw are a Hard Rock bands, so they don't belong on the lists anyway--Inhumer 00:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Wikipedia describes them as metal groups for one thing. And second give me one reason they are not christian. Just to be a nice guy I will stop adding them till we hashed this out. Now actually prove your point instead of repeatedly saying things without backing them up. --Trusader 03:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
As I have already told you, One or two songs with references to something of christian nature don't make a band christian. --Inhumer 18:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- Refer to his answer to that question moron. --66.208.76.129 19:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- I didn't. --Trusader 01:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- And besides that was kind-of a personal attack, saying I posted that. That isn't even my ip.--Trusader 03:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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- I apologize then. --Inhumer 02:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Accepted. --Trusader 03:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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Well, if wikipedia describes them as metal it's because wikipedia doesn't properly classify bands for almost any genre. They aren't listed on the Encyclopaedia Metallum, they have been described as hard rock with slight metallic influences in numerous magazines, and I've not met a single metal fan who considers them metal. So there you have it. Not metal. And even if you go by the false definition provided by Uncle Wiki, they still aren't Christian by a long shot. "References the death of Christ?" Thousands of blatantly anti-Christian metal bands have done that. Ours18 04:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
in an interview, Daron Malakian is quoted to have said: "The song is about how when people die, they will be regarded differently depending on the way they pass. Like, if I were to die from a drug overdose, everyone would say I deserved it because I abused drugs, hence the line 'Angels deserve to die'. -From the wikipedia page for Chop Suey! --Inhumer 00:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, fine that one line. But "father in your hands I commend my spirit father in your hands hy have you forsaken me, In your eyes forsaken me, In your thoughts forsaken me In your heart forsaken me oh" Thats a reference to God (Father). --Trusader 01:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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- But that's all it is, merely a reference. It doesn't support Christian moral teachings at all. If anything, it's a mockery of Jesus's last hours upon Earth, using it as a comparison for any other ordinary death---nothing special, in other words. The idea that Jesus' death wasn't special is a direct contrast with everything I was ever taught about Christianity at school---and I went to Catholic schools for 14 years. Ours18 02:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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- I was in Sunday school myself for about 10 years (Lutheran). I don't know if thats what SOAD meant but I see your point. Please refer downward to the other part.
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I just read the lyrics to Question! and Soldier Side. Soldier Sidemay contain the word "God", but is obviously about war. Question! seems to about dreaming. --Inhumer 00:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- It actually in one line they say "Wondering when JESUS comes is he gonna be saved" of course it's about war that isn't the point. Just like arguing weather or not they are metal isn't the point, that should be done some place else. Question is about life after death. --Trusader 01:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Actually, that IS the point. A simple mention of something Christian does not make a band Christian. That line about the return of Jesus expresses doubt of the second coming and a somewhat bitter sarcasm of Christian beliefs. Furthermore, Jesus IS saved so they are indicating there is something wrong with him. Once again, not Christian. Ours18 02:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- That wasn't my point which was the point in the first place. But nevermind I can't find any good facts to prove they are of any religion in particular so of now it's just best to leave them out. Oh, just as a side note he said When jesus comes, thats expresses no doubt as to his coming, just weather or not he can make it into heaven, which every Christian has probably felt at one point in their life. --Trusader 03:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Jesus isn't the one wondering if he's going to be saved, the soldier is. --Trusader 01:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] SOAD
I agree, they are not Christian nor metal. I think they are more muslim then anything. Iamvery 20:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't think they're Muslim either. --Inhumer 20:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
This argument is settled already. --Trusader 23:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Can music be defined as Christian?
A debate I've gotten into many times. Is it totally accurate to define a type of music as Christian? And if so, why aren't we defining other bands based on their religious beliefs? Why isn't their an "atheist metal" section at the local record shop? In some ways, I think defining a music with a Christian message as "Christian" hinders sales for bands that are just as capable if not better than their counterparts.
Technically, when it all comes down to it, music is music. It can be used in many ways, some use it to glorify God, some to glorify evil. Iamvery 20:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
When I call a band a Christian band I'm describes the people in the band not the style music. Thats why Christian Metal is still genrelized in the same subgenres as secular metal. The Christian tag is just to let people know what they are about and for fans of metal who are Christians to find bands that share snd express similar beliefs as they do. - E Tac
[edit] Sorting by genres
Would it be possible to list or organize these bands also within their subgenres to make this a more informative list or not? - E Tac
