Talk:Lhasa de Sela

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--Brownlee 17:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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Lhasa de Sela has a Mexican father and an American Jewish mother. She was born in New York and grew up in the United States and Mexico. She lived and worked in Canada for a while, and now lives and works lived and worked in France for several years. As she performs in English, French and Spanish, she is really an International singer, but we don't have that category. But, she is not Mexican-Canadian or French-Jewish. -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 03:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

As she returned to Canada to record her second album, 'Canadian singer' does seem appropriate as a category, and I'll add it back. But I am still opposed to all these ethnic mixture categories. They strike me as wrong for her. -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 12:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The category "Jewish American musicians" exists and is clearly appropriate so should be used. It is nonsense to have a category but not to apply it to every appropriatr article. Please move for the deletion of this category at WP:CfD if you think that it should not exist.--Brownlee 13:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Cite a source that describes Lhasa (not just her mother) as "Jewish American". If you call her "Jewish American" without a source to cite, you are engaging in original research. I'll give you a day or day to find a source. If you don't, I will remove the category. -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 13:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

"Half-Mexican American, half-Jewish American and all rainbow chile" [1]. And please, WP:CIVIL.--Brownlee 17:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

That does not make her "Jewish-American", it makes her "half Jewish American", and I don't see a category for that. Moreover, if that counts, then why aren't you arguing to categorize her as Mexican-American, or Mexican-Jewish-American. More seriously, at different times Lhasa has been categorized here as Jewish-American, Mexican-American, Jewish Canadian, Mexican Jew, Mexican Canadian, Mexican-French and Jewish-French (she lived in France for a few years). I cleaned all of those out because it was ridiculous. I would point out that Lhasa left the U.S. at age eighteen, and has lived in Canada and Europe since then. All of her professional singing career has been based in Canada. It looks like the Canadians regard her as a Canadian singer, not an American (U.S.) singer. So, do we say that she's a Jewish-American Canadian singer?

Oh, and how have I violated WP:CIVIL? -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 21:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Most lists and categories recognise "half" people. Anyway, she was born and raised in America; how is she not American? I am not arguing for a long string of other categories, so that's a straw man argument. In my experience, people often say "please" and are less curt than you, but that's just my POV. Oh, and why delete the bio template? Surely we agree that this is a biography?

The matter of when we can place someone in an ethnic category is a matter of contention in Wikipedia. I'm one of the editors who contend that placing a person in an ethnic category without an explicit reliable source saying so is original research. My point was, if you are sure that being half Jewish-American makes Lhasa Jewish-American, why aren't you adding her to the Mexican-American category, too. Her father is Mexican-American, after all. And when did I delete the bio template? -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 22:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

She is undoubtedly American and undoubtedly Jewish, so hoiw is she nor Jewish-American? And why bring in these other categories? I am not suggesting that she is French. And please check this difference [2] and notice how the template disappeared.--Brownlee 12:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S.: Is she Jewish-American or Lebanese-American? In Portugal she is known as Lebanese-American...So?

Her mother is listed as 'Jewish-American'. Her father was born in Mexico. I have not seen any mention of other elements in her ancestry. -- Donald Albury 23:00, 2 September 2006 (UTC)