Talk:Leung Ting
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[edit] Controversies and Disputes
Hello, this page has a lot of ongoing controversies and disputes. From now on, please add controversies to that section of the article. It's also very important that anything you add has a source or citation that can be checked by other editors and visitors to wikipedia. Please try to be neutral and avoid violating any wikipedia guidlines such as conflict of interest. Feel free to write whatever you want in the talk page, but unless it is non-POV and can be sourced do not add it to the article. Thanks! --Mista-X 01:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Truth about Yip Man and Leung Ting's Relationship, not the complete nonsense typed below
The lineage of Leung Ting is not a legitimate conspiracy. It is verifiable that he was the last closed door student of Yip Man, and also that he was never kicked out of a wing chun school. A perfect documented example of this is when yip man attended the first open show of wing tsun and free fight tournament held in November 1969 as an honorable guest to Leung Ting. This event was the first and only time Grandmaster Yip Man attended an open show by any of his followers. The two men held a very close relationship until Yip Man's death in 1972. -- added by 74.135.6.194 on 23:36, 16 November 2006
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Leung Ting, why does everyone is giving hope on him. he is just the businessman that cheat money from others. He got kick out of wingchun school by his sifu and even from yipman, Yipman invited journalist, reporters and had a conference about kicking him out of wingchun school.If you ask him this question, he will never admit it. The reason he got kicked out of wingchun school by Yipman and his sifu is the first time he joined the wingchun school, later on, he spent 15.00 dollars to print his face and some other things onto it to show off. For us Wingchun practitioners, we keep it low profiles, not like others showing off by putting vedio clips in the net.
[edit] doubtful linage
Questions about his linage from Yip Man is a well-known controversy in the martial art world and on the Internet. Whether he is authenitic Wing Tsun is a matter of NPOV. However, the existence of the controversy is fact that worth mentioning. The mention of the controversy is repeatedly removed from the article and this talk page. Is this censorship in wikipedia??? Kowloonese 22:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- I was pretty sure he was a student of Leung Sheung, but I admit I can't remember the reference. He is involved heavily with the VTAA, so I don't think anything implying he didn't study somewhere under Yip Man belongs here as credible. Rpf 14:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Do The Research
Grandmaster Leung Ting founded the IWTA (International WingTsun Association) in 1973 and since that time it has grown to encompass more than 64 countries. His WingTsun™ system has gained world fame, not only among martial arts enthusiasts but among many of the world's police, military, and anti-terrorist units owing to its effectiveness. As one of the most prolific martial artists in the world, he is regularly sought out for instruction by numerous celebrities such as Jackie Chan and quite a few martial arts champions.
Often imitated but never duplicated, the worldwide success of Grandmaster Leung Ting's organization has made him a controversional figure at times. Sectarian political attacks by those who would question his lineage or credibility can do little to dismiss the success and popularity he has brought to the art of WingTsun™.
One need only do a little research on the Internet to see that Leung Ting WingTsun™ has one of the largest and most respected followings of any martial art in the world.
[edit] Reliable source on just who he learned under
Can we confirm he was trained under Yip Man or under Leung Sheung's own school? Leung Sheung keeps coming to mind here, perhaps his greatest influence or something similar. I remember an article mentioning he attended the funeral of Yip Man and implying something about his lineage. Anyone remember this source? Rpf 14:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- Someone did add a paragraph or two in the article which mentioned this funeral incident but unfortunately the way in which they added it to the article was inappropriate, they also failed to add a citation, and they were blocked for repeated vandalism. Perhaps someone else could research this though.--Mista-X 17:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
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The claim is that he is 3rd generation. I think we need other sources before advertising this. Rpf 14:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Another (WT) source disputes this --http://www.wingtsun.nl/Aboutw2.htm. The most plausable story on the face of it is that he was a student of Leung Sheung who may have had additional private tutelage from Yip Man. This makes Leung Ting feel special and he starts making big claims. Some other brothers get upset and consequently Leung Sheung decides to deny ever teaching him. How much of that last paragraph is independant research and how much of it is logical conclusions based on the facts? Someone else can make the call -- Rpf 14:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
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- I think the fact that the topic itself is controversial (and most likely belongs in the controversy section) shows the answer to this. Its unverifyable in either direction, as Yip Man did not do rankings, certificates, keep a handwritten family tree, etc. You can only go by what either side is saying (which changes depending on their relationship with Leung Ting, like with the whole Leung Ting/Yip Chun feud around '99-'00). To keep NPOV the best thing that can be done is present resources for both sides of the argument and let the reader decide. --Marty Goldberg 07:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
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