Talk:Let It Be (album)

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[edit] review on the first paragraph

I noticed that in a few months the first paragraph has turned from a positive review to a negative review. Would it be better at least the first information presented not be based on a wikipedian or outside reviewer's opinion? Artistic value is usually a very subjective matter. --Fs 02:28, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't see it. Let's break the paragraph down:

Much of what became Let It Be was recorded in early 1969, with production by George Martin, before the release of the Abbey Road album.

Entirely neutral, statement of fact.

However, the Beatles were unhappy with the album and it was temporarily shelved.

Easily verified, statement of fact.

Let It Be was later "re-produced"

Fact

(some critics have said overproduced)

It might be better if some sources were quoted, but I think the release of Let It Be... Naked proves the point. (Personally, I prefer Spector's version, but personal opinion of Wikipedia editors is what we are trying to avoid). McCartney was sufficiently aggrieved with Spector's version to do something about it 30 years later, and he was able to convince the other surviving Beatles too.

by Phil Spector and, in 1970, it became the Beatles' final release.

Fact.

Let It Be is sometimes seen as one of the Beatles' weaker albums, though, as critic Richie Unterberger notes, "a substandard Beatles record is better than almost any other group's best work."

Again, we could maybe use some citations of reviews, but I don't see anything non-neutral here. When was the last time you ever heard a professional reviewer single out Let It Be as one of the outstanding Beatles albums? Never, I'd guess. I don't think we can avoid reporting the disappointment of the Let It Be project - it's encyclopedic and needs to be reported.

At the end of the day, this is a wiki, so go ahead and make changes you see fit - or propose them here. --kingboyk 12:10, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Live album

Why not Let it Be is a live album? --Mr. Manu 01:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Let It Be guitar solos

I am completely confused on the guitar solos of the Let It Be song. I have no idea which one came first, which one was approved or disapproved by the producers. I think a Beatles expert needs to explain this better. One thing I do know is that this version of Harrison's guitar solo is the best of all that I've heard. It simply flows with the song perfectly yet I can't find it on any of the albums! I know for a fact it wasn't on Let It Be or Past Masters II---Secret Agent Man 19:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The way I understand it is as follows. During the Get Back Sessions, when the final version of the song was recorded George felt like he hit a few bad notes and was unhappy with his solo. Because the Beatles were trying not to overdub on this album it was just left alone. When the project was scrapped it was forgotten. This version I believe is found on the album version of "Let It Be." Later, when the tapes had been given to Phil Spector and the Beatles had dissolved, George went back into the studio and recorded a new solo for the song, which he liked better. This version is found on the single version which is found on "Beatles 1." Unfortunately the YouTube video is gone. My source for this information is "Revolution in the Head" but I read it awhile ago so I might have confused some parts. Additionally I once heard yet a third version of the solo on the radio, which the deejay said was "special" and never said why it was special. This may in fact be the version with a few bad notes, and the one from YouTube, but that I cannot tell. Signed, theBraveToaster 19:54 13 September 2006

[edit] Talking between songs

Who did the talking/intros of songs? Like at the end of Dig It? Was it one of The Beatles? Kinda sounded like Eric Idle or someone else lol. DarkSideOfTheSpoon 02:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

It is the various Beatles' voices you hear. Paul did the "That was 'Can You Dig It?' by Georgie Wood" bit. Danthemankhan 00:15, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] (album)

Why isn't this (or equally well the disambiguation page) on Let It Be instead of on Let It Be (album) and Let It Be (disambiguation) respectively? It seems odd to have the main page just redirect to a subpage. -Senori 00:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I know in general pages should not contain dab words unless the "main slot" (Let It Be in this case) is occupied. However, in this case there are 3 Let It Be's by the Beatles - an album, a song and a film. I felt that it would be better to make it clear that this article is about the album by so naming it. Let It Be is a redirect rather than a dab page because dab pages are a last resort; in this case it seemed reasonable to deliver the Beatles album article to anybody typing in "Let It Be", as my disambiguation work showed that this accounted for most incoming links. Crazy I might be, but there's my rationale :) --kingboyk 10:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Just quickly looking at Wikipedia:Disambiguation, this doesn't seem to be quite the established way.

Beyond that, however, having Let It Be (album) on Let it Be would accomplish the same as having Let it Be redirect here, and have the advantage of fewer disambig titles appended. -Senori 20:18, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Senori. I remember thinking the same thing, but I don't recall if I ever mentioned it anywhere. Let It Be (album) should be moved to Let It Be. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 03:57, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The current setup is wrong because the redirect is reflexive and Template:Redirect is being misused. There are two correct scenerios:

• The album page resides at Let It Be, lacking "(album)", and Let It Be (disambiguation) is linked to using Template:Otheruses.
• The disambiguation page resides at Let It Be, linking Let It Be (album) alongside the other uses, and the album article contains no disambiguation notices or redirects.—jiy (talk) 21:25, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neil Aspinall?? ... George Martin??

I noticed an unfamiliar name credited along with Phil Spector as a producer of the album. The name is Neil Aspinall and his personal article says he was the Beatles' road manager. It also notes he "even contributed to a few Beatles recordings" but the production of Let It Be is not on there. Maybe it was just omitted but if he did indeed help produce Let It Be that would appear to be his greatest achievement. Browsing IMDb, I noticed he was listed as one of the producer for the Let It Be film so perhaps that's the source of confusion? Secondly, is there any specific reason why George Martin is not listed as a producer. I suppose he didn't produce the Let It Be album per se but my understanding is he originally produced most (if not all) the tracks that were later compiled onto said album. Probably the easiest way to verify this is for someone who owns a copy of the album (sadly not I) to check the credits.--Lairor 06:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Upon further inspection of the page history it seems that while Martin and Spector used to be listed as producers that was changed for an unspecified reason on Jan. 18 '06 by 68.251.58.119. I'm going to go ahead and replace "Neil Aspinall" with "George Martin".--Lairor 06:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Billy Preston!!!

What about poor old Billy Preston? He was brought in to play on this album and he is not mentioned once on this page. His page talks about his work with the Beatles. I think this needs to be included. --theBraveToaster 19:54 13 September 2006

[edit] Lyrics Links

The following discussion was posted on Wikipedia's main Beatles discussion page, and appears to also be relevant here:

Are links to lyrics sites appropriate? I have noticed them in some music articles, and I believe they do add value to the listings. I added one at the bottom of the external links section. In the interest of full disclosure, it is a website I maintain. If the interest is positive, I would likely add lyrics links to other musical articles where appropriate. Shadar 19:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

My understanding is that lyrics sites reprint lyrics in violation of copyright, and that's why we're not supposed to link to them. The relevant guideline to check would be Wikipedia:External links, but that page doesn't directly address this question. I'm going to post a question to the discussion page there, and perhaps someone can tell us whether my idea is correct or mistaken. In the latter case, I'd be happy to restore the link myself. -GTBacchus^(talk) 19:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I posted my question Wikipedia talk:External links#Lyrics sites here. -GTBacchus^(talk) 19:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

If the decision is made that lyrics sites are inappropriate due to the copyright violation issue, I would like to delete the links I found. As a newbie, it would give me good practice in editting. Is that an appropriate action for a new user, and is there a FAQ on deletion etiquette? Shadar 19:52, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, we received an answer, and it refers us to item #2 at Wikipedia:External links#Restrictions on linking. It comes down to whether the lyrics are actually under copyright or in the public domain, and whether or not the site in question has the copyright holder's permission to publish the lyrics. If you'd like to remove links to lyrics sites that are in violation of our copyright policy, then you're welcome to do so. The best way to avoid offense is probably to mention the External links policy (or WP:EL, as we like to call it) in your edit summary. -GTBacchus^(talk) 20:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I can certainly understand that decision. It turns out I violated the self interest clause anyways, since I posted my own site. I should have recommended the change in talk, and then if someone agreed they could make the change. Thanks for the help with this, GTBacchus. Shadar 17:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I notice that there are also links to lyric pages on each of the Wikipedia Beatles album pages. I should have time to fix those tonight. I'll follow the above advice of GTBacchus in mentioning the WP:EL, and refer to this discussion on each album discussion page. InnerRevolution7 02:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I have made the above-stated change. InnerRevolution7 04:27, 23 November 2006 (UTC)