Talk:Lesbian American history

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[edit] Voila

I started to make this a part of the History of lesbianism, but that article is in serious disrepair, and has been dormant for a long time. I figured that there was enough material to start an entirely new article, and I feel it deserves one, since there is ample material. I have put together a bunch of old notecards from sources I used during graduate level study on this topic. This is the first real article I've written, and so I hope that it isn't too shabby. I look forward to seeing it perfected. This article is currently incomplete, but I will have the initial composition complete very shortly. Thanks! --Chuchunezumi 01:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Also keep in mind that this is a skeleton only. I may add or delete much from any section. --Chuchunezumi 03:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested Images

I've written Rita Mae Brown to see whether she has an image that may be used. I've also written webmasters at a couple different Lesbian history websites to see whether they have any public domain images we may use, specifically one that shows drag kings at Mona's in the 1940's. I am trying to populate the article with relevant images concurrently with continuing the basic writing. --Chuchunezumi 21:03, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nomination

I've posted this for review for good article status, since I've been unable to solicit any feedback on it from anyone else. If you are the person rating the article, please be thorough in your criticism, as I want to improve this article whether or not it currently meets the criteria for good article status. Thank you so much! Cheers! Chuchunezumi 18:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I read this article because it is nominated for GA. I do think it should be awarded GA. It's well written and well sourced. Just now, I went in and standardized the references according to Wikipedia:Citing sources. I found most of the books on Amazon, although in some cases the publisher didn't match yours'. One or the other is probably a re-print. If you have the books available, please check the ISBN numbers; I believe that is most important. Also, you can add any information that I didn't find.
I also uncapitalized lesbian and lesbianism in most cases, according to my understanding of the grammar rules. It's not necessarily clear-cut. e.g. If lesbianism is a movement like progressivism it shouldn't be capped, but if it's more like a party, like Naziism, maybe it should be. My take is that it's more like the former, but it could be a point of discussion. I'm more sure about lesbian - similar in usage to man, or transvestite. These wouldn't be capitalized.
There are a few red links. After GA, the next step is FA. All red links must be fixed for FA, so you might as well do that now. If the topic deserves an article, you can write one, or write a stub for one. If not, remove the wikilink.
I believe the Time magazine cover violates copyright. I'm not an expert, but I was told that the only time using that would be permissible, would be if the article, or section of the article, is specifically referring to the Time magazine article. Here, it's more-or-less just to show Kinsey. There's probably an alternative image available. Write on my talk page if you have any questions. Appraiser 20:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Capitalization of "Lesbian": It's good to smallcap "lesbian" in the article. It's not a political party, but it's a political identity and as such some people capitalize Lesbian. However that's not universal and, at any rate, not the way "lesbian" is used throughout the article. --LQ 21:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
As far as the capitalization goes, I suppose I thought of it as an adjective derived from a proper noun, ie, Lesbos, the isle on which Sappho lived, the origin of the term, rather than a being originated from a political movement or other reasons. The image from Time magazine was one I retrieved from the Wikipedia data base, and as my knowledge of the specific workings of this copyright law is limited, I'll remove it pending further reasearch into its legality. I will also remove the red links. Unfortunately, most of this research was done in the library, so I don't have the books handy, and I'm not sure about how to go after the ISBN. Advice? Thanks for your prompt attention to this article! Cheers! Chuchunezumi 21:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I cleaned up the references some. It could still use a little work on a couple of journal references. I added an image of Mona's 440 club, I think it looks okay. An image for "Radicalesbians" would be great, but can't find anything. It should go on the left side with the section on radicalesbians. Also, a good lead image would be nice. I'll give some thought to what might work. Atom 04:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lead Image

Here are some possibilities. Frankly I don't like any of them. Well, I like the Cariatidi del Parlamento a Vienna, but what does that (or the Lautrec) have to do with America? (second and third images) I suppose the lead is symbolic. Atom 04:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Gertrude Stein

Parlamento a Vienna

Lautrec

[edit] First sentence

"Lesbian American history is the history of women who are attracted to other women, or Lesbians, in the United States." Seems clumsy to me. I went to rewrite, and found I couldn't really do better. I will give it some thought. Atom 04:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA passed

  • It is well-written
  • It is verifiable, the references cited and the books listed are enough to support the article's current form. The interwiki articles are also referenced satisfactorily, therefore certain passages are also supported by references from those articles
  • It is broad enough, it covers the topic well enough, considering the difficulties that would be expected with the subject matter.
  • It is NPOV
  • It is stable
  • The images are also satisfactory

[edit] Some suggestions

  • The title "imported from England" could be changed, it requires a small edit, and is not a block for GA. I think that a better title could be found
  • An ouverture at the end of the article about the current status of LGBT movement, with regards to its implication on lesbian history, in a way to show its evolution, could also be added. However, since the article's title is history, it is not a block to GA, but might be a good idea for general encyclopedic purposes.
  • Other images could be added, but again, the difficulties with the subject matter can be a stumbling-block, therefore are comprehensible. Baristarim 14:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
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