Talk:Lengths of fantasy film and television series

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Contents 1 Indiana Jones 2 Lost 3 Middle-earth 4 Neverending Story 5 Angel/Buffy

[edit] Indiana Jones

Should Indiana Jones be added here? The series has many fantasy elements (although most episodes of Young Indiana Jones don't have any). Ausir 08:42, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes. I'll add it. The Wookieepedian 09:36, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I didn't think of Indiana Jones at first, but now that you mention it I see no reason for it not to be here. —Arctic.gnome 22:09, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lost

Should Lost be added here, to science fiction or both? I'd say both, with a footnote that it's not certain at this point. Ausir 09:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Middle-earth

I was trying to figure out how to group this stuff. I guess putting the animated ones together makes the most sense, even if they weren’t made at the same time. Is the one listed here the one with animated hobbits on a fuzzy live-action background? Wasn’t there another animated version somewhere that didn’t do as well? —Arctic.gnome 22:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

The Hobbit (1977 film) and The Return of the King (1980 film) were made for television by Rankin-Bass, of Christmas special fame, and are standard TV animation for their time. The Lord of the Rings (1978 film) was made for theatrical release by Ralph Bakshi, and was partly rotoscoped. These three are the only animated adaptations of Tolkien's work, to my knowledge. (Another American company wrote a screenplay for an animated adaptation of The Hobbit in the '50s, but Tolkien hated it and it never went any further.)

The Rankin-Bass and Bakshi versions really have little overlap in style or content, but they are all owned by Warner Bros. today and so are sold on DVD as a "trilogy" by cynical marketing executives eager to cash in on Peter Jackson's success. I suppose that might be enough justification for adding them together here... —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Did Lord of the Rings (1978) only have Fellowship and Two Towers? —Arctic.gnome 18:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes. It was unfinished. Ausir 19:42, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

To be more accurate, it was only half the story (as far as the Battle of Helm's Deep). Bakshi planned to make the film as "The Lord of the RIngs Part 1" and make Part 2 afterwards. However, the studio thought that nobody would go to see the film if it was advertised as "Part 1", so they released it as "The Lord of the Rings" and didn't mention that it was only half the story. After the release, the studio didn't quite know what to make of the film, and in the end declined to fund the second half of the story. A year or so later, Rankin/Bass decided to "finish" the story with their made-for-TV Return of the King — however, there's quite a lot of material that falls between the end of Bakshi's film and the beginning of the Rankin/Bass RotK. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:06, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neverending Story

Why is the animated series listed under "canon" and the miniseries under "non-canon"? And how can we determine what's canon and what's not in case of book adaptations, anyway? Ausir 19:42, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that too. But from looking at the articles on both the live-action series and the animated series, it appears that neither take place within the same continuity as the films, but instead, each seems to be an adaptation of the book. I'll divide these up accordingly. The Wookieepedian 19:57, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I've never seen the cartoon, but I thought that it was a continuation of the movies based on the Adaptations section of the article. —Arctic.gnome 20:48, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I've never seen it either. I was going by the article on the series, which says it was loosely based on the novel. If that were the case, then it would simply be a remake/new adaptation. The Wookieepedian 20:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Based on the plot summaries of the cartoon, no episode covers the events at the beginning of the story. It looks like it is suppose to take place after the books, or more likely, after the movies. I think it made sense how it was, though it would be useful to have the input of someone who has seen it. —Arctic.gnome 21:00, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Angel/Buffy

I changed Buffy the Vampire Slayer to Angel/Buffy the Vampire Slayer to make it conform to what is shown below under Hercules/Xena: that two shows in the same universe should both be displayed. Makgraf 22:43, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, but I think that Buffy should come first, since it was the first series. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:48, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Makes sense. Makgraf 06:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, should we include the unaired Buffy pilot under "non-canon". Makgraf 22:45, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

If you like, sure. Is there a page or section of a Buffy-related article which we can link to to explain it? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:48, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

The various non-canon sources are detailed on Buffyverse canon Alpha5099 19:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

After thinking about it, Whedon never intended it to be released though, so it shouldn't be counted. Makgraf 06:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)