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User:Zoe I notice that you deleted the reference I had to Kraft. Is that a wiki-style thing not to put citations in? ArloBee 13:22 20 May 2003 (UTC)

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Contents 1 Relationship with the Iroquois and timeframe of migration to the Ohio valley 2 Language 3 Lenape 4 Walum Olum

[edit] Relationship with the Iroquois and timeframe of migration to the Ohio valley

This article lacks a discussion of the relationship between the Delaware/Lenape and the Iroquois/Five Nations. "The Indian Wars of Pennsylvania", Sipe, 1931, states that the Lenape were under the dominion of the Iroquois around 1720, although the Lenape described their role as peacemakers and intermediaries. In any case, the two groups fought a war that ended with some sort of Iroquois prominence over the Lenape. This source also states that the Lenape began a migration to the Ohio valley as early as 1724, that this migration was accelerated by the swindling Walking Purchase of 1737, and that by 1776, nearly all of them had pressed westward into Ohio. "The Olden time. Vol. 1", J.W. Cook, states that during his 1753 expedition to the Ohio River, Major George Washington found the Delaware's king, Shingiss, near McKees Rocks, Pennsylvania and their queen, Aliquippa, at the mouth of the Youghiogheny River, near present-day McKeesport.

Should the discussion of their early 18th century history be amended to include the above? Tomcool 03:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm including a phrase that indicates the Lenape range included Long Island Sound and New York Bay, as well as a mention of Lenapehoking.Decumanus 01:03, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Language

I've noticed there are alot of problems with the Language section, including the incorrect translation of "Lenape" and "Lenni Lenape". The paragraph should also be put in present tense, since the language survives today, although with only a few fluent, native speakers (but there are thousands of partially fluent speakers).

As a student of the Lenape language, I feel this should be fixed and expanded upon. If no one wishes to correct this, I will try to do it myself in the coming week.--Exdaix 05:02, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Please do so! This article needs expansion, and citations as well. --Kevin Myers 23:34, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)

I'll edit a little tonight, and I'm going to be rather busy until the middle of next week, but I'll see what I can do. Once I learn enough Lenape, I may make a WikiBook on it... just a thought. --Exdaix 05:01, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lenape

Lenni Lenape should be Lenii Lenape formed by two words: (1) len 'common' + ii [connective] and (2) len 'common' + apew 'people'. Lenape suggests the usual self designation of a group who call themselves simply "the people" while outsiders are given specific names. The modifier lenii probably originated after the arrival of Europeans, viewed as outsiders with respect to all the indigenous people, who were now called by the generic term Lenape. The modifier was then added to distinguish the speaker's own tribe. Anyone interested in the language can check the website < www.talk-lenape.com/ > sponsored by the Delaware Tribe of Oklahoma.

[edit] Walum Olum

I have included a mention of the Walam Olum because the emergence and study of it was part of scholars' attempts to understand the Lenape and their origins, regardless of whether or not it was a "hoax". I have put such mention under "19th and 20th centuries". 68.36.214.143 18:18, 15 October 2006 (UTC)