Talk:Lemkos
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[edit] Lemko history and identity
The article already reveals a split and controversy over the local identity of Lemko vis a vis the older regional and national name, Ruthenian and its variants; and the newer replacement term for Ruthenian/Rus': Ukrainian/Ukraine. What's the point to repeating it--or, especially, repeating certain portions of it?
It is patently false to assert that the Lemki "never participated in Ukrainian movement." The geography of the Lemkos placed them at the end of an historical process. The choice of the ancient name "Ukrainian" as the primary proper first name for the people of Rus'(Ruthenians)was made at the ancient capital of Kyiv in the mid-1800s, from where it spread rather rapidly over the Russian-governed areas of Rus'. It then became dominant in the Ukrainian portion of Austria (Eastern Galicia) only around 1900, and in the Ukrainian portion of Hungary only around thirty years later--in both cases through an historical process of discussion and controversy. Lastly, the controversy became well-developed in Lemko-land only well into the 20th century. The outcome of this process is not lobbied for in the present article, and it shouldn't be. The ultimate question is, "What is a Lemko relative to the surrounding nation states of Poland, Slovakia and Ukraine?" They either belong to one of these nations/nationalities, either integrally or as a regional variant, or form a nation of their own.
The UPA was not a species of ape, but an insurgent army fighting for independence. Mentioning military colloboration with ethnic neighbors is beyond the scope of this small, NPOV article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Genyo (talk • contribs) . March 24, 2004
- is it because as you say the lemko were at the end of the historical process of the adoption of the term "ukraine" or is it because the term "ukraine" meaning "frontier" in slavic had no relevance to the rusyns living in the northern carpathians, surrounded as they were by fellow slavs, whereas to the occupants of the middle dnepr river, facing towards the khanate of the crimea (turko-mongol, and often mounting destructive raids) it was very relevant? of course in early medieval times kyiv was the capital of "rus", the kingdom which united most of the eastern slavs until defeated by the mongols. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.8 (talk • contribs) . February 5, 2005
[edit] Rusniaki
Why does Rusniaki redirect here? It should be explict toward the top of the article, for someone who actually knows something about this. --1pezguy 05:08, Jul 31, 2004 (UTC)
- It looks like another name for them in one of the related languages, but I can't tell exactly which. It might also be another name for the Rusyns in general (notice the similarity, probably similar etymology). That page lists "Russniaks" as a synonym. --Shallot 11:24, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
It seems to me, technically, while "Rusniaki" might redirect here, a better place would be to Rusyn or some form of Ruthenian. The name "Rusniak" is used as a surname and a local variant of "Rusyn," especially in today's Eastern Slovakia (well, perhaps more in the past than today). Genyo 20:28, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
