Talk:Leelee Sobieski
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Lest someone come by and reinsert Ms. Sobieski's publicist's claim of descent from Jan Sobieski: Jan Sobieski had one son, who had two daughters. None of the king's greatgrandchildren bore the name Sobieski. -- Someone else 02:09 4 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Ms. Sobieski is indeed related to King John III Sobieski but not a direct descendant. Her ancestry goes back to King John's father's brother from whom she descends. NightCrawler 02:41, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- King John's father's brother ? Do you mean one of the redlinks on Marek Sobieski ? Possibly another "John" Sobieski, the King's uncle with the same name. Besides Jakub Sobieski, that's the only other son listed there. -- 199.71.174.100 00:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Swiss and Dutch?
I can find sources for Sobieski's Jewish and Polish heritage, but does anyone have a source for Swiss and Dutch? (IMDB don't count). Also, does anyone know "how Polish" her father is? Contrary to what we had up on our page for a year or so and what is now all over the web because of that, I don't believe both of his parents were Polish. Mad Jack 05:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- What has given you reason to believe that? Michael 06:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Believe what? That his parents weren't Polish? I'm 99% sure that's the case. I've gone over every reliable detail on Sobieski, and none mentioned any Polish ancestry except for the relation to the King. I'm sure, of course, that based on that relation Sobieski's father has some Polish ancestry - probably way back - but he is always described as a "total Frenchman" in articles. Mad Jack 06:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- They use that term? Michael 07:05, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- No, but I got a lot of references, often by Leelee herself, as to how her father is "Very French", etc. Her paternal grandfather has a farm out in the country in France - stuff like that - obviously the family's been there a long, long time. Mad Jack 07:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- If her father and grandfather are "fully" French, then probably they had a distant Polish mercenary ancestor that served in Napoleon’s cavalry. Napoleon had a large number of Polish Cavalry Units that served alongside the French Army as well Irish Foot Infantry units. This was before the French Foreign Legion was established. Maybe that’s where the surname came from. If that’s the case then she’s not Polish only her distant merccenary ancestor is Polish. There was a U.S. Marine Corps Colonel that served in the O.S.S. in WW2 occupied France helping the French resistance forces. He was full French-American but he had a Spanish surname. His name was Col. Peter Ortiz. He only had distant Spanish ancestry. --James 08:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- No, but I got a lot of references, often by Leelee herself, as to how her father is "Very French", etc. Her paternal grandfather has a farm out in the country in France - stuff like that - obviously the family's been there a long, long time. Mad Jack 07:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- They use that term? Michael 07:05, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Believe what? That his parents weren't Polish? I'm 99% sure that's the case. I've gone over every reliable detail on Sobieski, and none mentioned any Polish ancestry except for the relation to the King. I'm sure, of course, that based on that relation Sobieski's father has some Polish ancestry - probably way back - but he is always described as a "total Frenchman" in articles. Mad Jack 06:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
