Talk:League of United Latin American Citizens

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[edit] Characterization as a hate group

Those are pretty strong accusations - could we have some documentary evidence? (Mmartins 09:43, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC))

I have already begun linking descriptions of their hateful activities; and I believe you should be removed from any editing privileges for these sites because your own profile demonstrates you are far from being able to arbitrarily make judgments about these organizations.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.241.16.5 (talk • contribs).

I believe he or she was addressing me, not Mmartins. In accordance with Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy, I have changed the lead assertion that LULAC is a hate group to an NPOV statement about accusations of racism. Also, please refrain from making personal attacks. Thank you, --Rockero 18:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Rockero,

I would like to know how you claim to have a neutral point of view in light of statements made in your profile? I have not attacked you in any way I simply do not understand how you can in any way have a neutral point of view. I think you should be honest in how biased you are in these matters and refrain from contributing to any pages that are in any way political in nature, including those about interest groups.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.241.16.5 (talk • contribs).

I do not have a neutral point of view, nor do I claim to have one. My point of view is stated explicitly on my userpage for all to see. The point is to write from a neutral point of view (did you read the NPOV link?). That is, your edit changed the lead to introduce LULAC as a hate group. This presents a POV. I placed the criticism of LULAC in the mouth of the critic, which is much closer to a neutral point of view.

Furthermore, if you would have read the link I provided on personal attacks, you would have realized that in WP, a personal attack is any comment made on an editor as opposed to a comment made on his or her edits.

If I have written with any bias, I thank you to point it out and help to minimize it. But I will not refrain from editing articles on topics about which I am knowledgeable. Up to this day, no editor has ever shown me proof of any bias in my writing. The only ones to accuse me of writing with a bias or from a POV are people who insert their own POVs such as that LULAC, etc. are hate groups.--Rockero 19:51, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

One thing I found bias in was your characterization that all groups that object to some of the activities of LULAC or Council of La Raza are right wing organizations. Both LULAC and La Raza openly support government funding for both Spanish language programs as well other programs that would benefit Hispanic organizations; and by definition would have to be called left wing because they want to increase government involvement in public affairs. In the interests of fairness I would implore you to at least label both LULAC and La Raza has left wing organizations since you seem so reluctant to label them hate groups.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.241.16.5 (talk • contribs).

If there are non-right groups that criticize LULAC, I've never heard their criticisms. I suppose reformism is in itself non-conservative, and LULAC would fit your government-involvement definition of left-wing. But they are not particularly radical and don't advocate socialism. I suppose the reforms they seek and the activities they engage in do fall closer to the left end of the spectrum, but it is a bit of a convoluted way to label them. LULAC ought to be defined as precisely what it is: an ethnically-based political advocacy organization. If there is some way to include that their politics lean toward the left, I will do it.--Rockero 21:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I find this discussion interesting since someone above has defined left wing and it does seem to be a generally agreed upon definition can Rockero define right wing since he seems very ardent in labeling groups as such?--71.198.22.73 06:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)Concerned Party

See the article Right-wing politics.--Rockero 15:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)