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[edit] LDS - or specific denomination

I started doing some editing here, and like many of the LDS movement articles it is difficult to make sure it isn't a CJCLDS only view. Like Standard Works - I changed to scripture - since I am not sure that members of denominations other than CJC call the scriptures the standard works. Trödel•talk 16:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I think that there is a problem using the Salt Lake Temple in this template. It appears that the intent is to not limit to "CJCLDS" topics, however, this image is squarely associated with that group. I recommend using an image associated with the early period of the Church, such as the original Nauvoo Temple or something else. --NThurston 17:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Good change, and a wise reason behind it. Tijuana BrassE@ 21:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Using this template

I have just reviewed all the articles that are linked to from this page and the following do not have this template on them:

  • Bible - Is about Bible in general - no section about LDS views of the bible
  • King James Version of the Bible - History of KJV - no information of the why LDS use KJV, etc
  • Faith - Is about repentence in general and section on the LDS church view of faith box was too long for that section
  • Repentance - Is about repentence in general and doesn't have a section about the LDS church.

Since these are key parts of the LDS movement we probably need either an section, an article, or an expanded section on each of these topics so the link from the LDS template makes more sense. --Trödel 03:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inclusion of critical POV's in template

There must be outspoken critics of the LDS whose articles would make sense to include within the template. Is this the case? joshbuddy, talk 08:48, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Criticisms are in the articles and, generally, not broken out in seperate articles per - see WP:POVFORK --Trödel 23:11, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adding back in some items

There are a couple of items that were culled out by User:COGDEN that I disagree with.

  • The Pearl of Great Price - This is a significant part of the scriptual cannon of the LDS Church and as such its omission is significant enough that it really makes the section it is listed with incomplete with its absence. While it does contain the Book of Abraham and some other documents also listed in this template, the history of the Pearl of Great Price is an incredible piece of Mormon history that needs to be told independently and clearly belongs on this template. It certainly ranks right with the Book of Mormon and Doctrine & Covenants as key foundation cannonical documents (it is part of the official cannon of the LDS Church). --Robert Horning 07:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


This is canon of the LDS Church, but only the LDS Church. This is supposed to be a generic template for all Latter Day Saint denominations. And it needs to be as minimal as possible. No matter what they say, size does matter in this context. COGDEN 19:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Of this I completely and totally disagree. This is canon and as such is very significant, and while it may not be canon of the Community of Christ, there are other LDS denominations that indeed include the Pearl of Great Price, including the FLDS church. This may be something more unique, however, to the "Brighamite" branch if you can call it that. More following this comment.
  • Bear River Massacre - While this may seem a little out of place (and can be debated separately) it is a very signficant event for Mormon history because of the sheer number of members of the LDS Church that were directly affected by this event. Taken strictly by numbers even at the time, it involved nearly 5,000 members of the LDS Church, and affected a region that now is home to nearly half a million Mormons (Northern Utah, especially Cache Valley and S.E. Idaho). That many of these people aren't aware of this history and the fact that they are living where they are because of this event is more something of a tragedy of the teaching of this history than because of its notability. Of course this is a POV, but I would dare say that for the LDS farmers in Cache Valley, it is as signficant of an event as the Utah War or even the pioneer exodus from Nauvoo. Yes, it involved a clear anti-Mormon (from his own proclaimation) military general and a group of Shoshoni Indians directly, but the involvement of Mormon leaders certainly is infused throughout the whole detail of the event, including actions directly by Brigham Young himself. --Robert Horning 07:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


This is just one of tens of historical articles that could be included here. If we start including every single historical article, the template would be way too large. It's already too large as it is. This template should only include the most fundamental links. If someone wants to learn about the Bear River Massacre, they can go to History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. COGDEN 19:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I will say that perhaps with the Bear River Massacre, it may be better suited to be a part of a larger section on colonization of the western USA by Brigham Young, stretching from Alberta to the Mormon colonies in Mexico and even to Hawaii. And that colonization is a very signficant part of the history of the LDS movement in general, and a poorly told history at that. --Robert Horning 07:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

On the whole, I hate it when my post is broken up, as it makes reading very difficult and breaks up the context of what I was writing. While you have been culling things out, it would be useful to simply try and define exactly what your criteria is, and please seek comments ahead of time before doing a massive overhaul. In the case of some of these items that you have culled out, perhaps it would be more fitting for a themeatic "sub-template" that covers more specific items like "Military Conflicts of the LDS Movement", where Bear River Massacre and Mountain Meadows Massacre can be listed together (I consider them to be of roughly equal significance, BTW, for the LDS movement). I'll elaborate more on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement. --Robert Horning 17:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I think the article criticism of Mormonism is missing in the template

There seems to be notable controversy and criticism. I will argue the same for the templates of Christianity and Islam. Andries 16:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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