Talk:Last Train to Trancentral

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This article is very technical. The context section should be expanded to provide a suitable backdrop for what follows. The "E-Train"/"Go to Sleep" elements of the article need to be clear. More reviews. Add sufficient inline citations to the "Origin and versions" section. This'll eliminate any possible accusations of original research.

Contents 1 Resources 2 Pure Trance vs. Pure Trance (Remixes) 3 Song samples 4 GA Promotion

[edit] Resources

http://www.libraryofmu.org/display-resource.php?id=507

--kingboyk 04:33, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

The "string-orchestrated break" - is that an original piece of work or a sample? I presume you're referring to the piece just before "This is what KLF are about"? It's so uplifting and for me it's the KLF's signature. I'm transported to Trancentral (the mythical one, not Jimmy's dirty old squat) whenever I hear it :) (Why is space cadet a red link? hmm). --kingboyk 23:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I got the impression it was original to Go To Sleep, which really ought to be mentioned in this article, though determining what came from where is tricky :) --juli. ^{t ?} 11:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I just couldn't believe how good those strings were when I first heard them, in the Lost Continent edit. Someone made me a rave tape in 1991 and LTTT seemed "light years ahead".

I am only now accruing the White Room OST tracks, through filesharing, so now I finally understand things like where the Moody LTTT mixes have their roots. Yes, "Go To Sleep" needs to be in here, doesn't it? I've never seen a reference to those strings in sample lists, and I think they're original work. --Vinoir 10:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Have you got the White Room demo album in it's entirety yet? It's very different. I can't say which is "best" but both versions are essential. I'm not sure about "Go To Sleep" (I'm listening to JAMS LP4 now to find out), now whether it's important enough to mention or verifiable. --kingboyk 12:50, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a real eye-opener, the demo album. I haven't heard it all yet, but I'm working on that (downloading is a s-l--o---w business). I've got "Go To Sleep", and it's the instrumentation that appears further down the line (pardon the pun) on Chill Out and LTTT Pure Trance. So it seems that "Go To Sleep" has the origins, and we can verify the dates with sources from the Library of Mu.

As for this article, it might be appropriate to mention "Sleep". I reckon in the bigger picture it all boils down to whether a track listing for The White Room bootleg is important enough to add to The White Room article. If so, it would be natural to briefly compare the released and unreleased versions, including the fact that "Sleep" mutated into LTTT. If we did that, it would merit a mention here too. The unreleased track listing isn't totally trivial, because it shows the evolution of White Room, and highlights the impact that the Pure Trance stuff had on KLF (it was popular, KSTJ wasn't, so they shelved the OST and changed direction). But is it important enough?!? --Vinoir 17:43, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Well if you have any problem finishing it let me know. I've a near complete KLF collection (just about all I'm lacking is recent discoveries and new releases (last couple of years), and good quality video rips. (I have a lot of the material in VCD quality, but I'm lacking a few things like the Omnibus documentary and the Waiting vid)).

Anyway!... Yes, you were both right about Go To Sleep. Seems to me to be the same sequencing rather than a sample though? It sounds less like strings and more like synths in that version, to me at least. Coverage of the demo album would be fine, we just have to remember two things (that we've done quite well on so far) - 1) everything should be verifiable; 2) don't go mad with the fancruft, and consider what a reasonably interested reader might want to hear about. I think somebody who is interested enough in The KLF to read about The White Room would like to hear about the very different version that got scrapped, don't you? :) --kingboyk 18:26, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the offer of help with the collection. :) So far, the things I've looked for have (amazingly, sometimes) appeared ripe for picking, but if I get confounded, I shall let you know. I agree regarding Go To Sleep and The White Room. The released version of White Room is an important album so, yep, I reckon the details about the OST should be of interest to anyone who chooses to read to article. --Vinoir 18:07, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pure Trance vs. Pure Trance (Remixes)

I know a lot of compilations and the like call the remix version of PT LTTT "The Pure Trance Original", but the only KLF008 we have is KLF008R, with KLF008T having been (originally) "E-Train to Trancentral", which I don't think an original has surfaced of? See also [1]. Does one ignore the "REMIX" in the upper-right of the PT 5 sleeve, and call it the Pure Trance version, or call it by the (Remix 1) or (Remix 2) name? --juli. ^{t ?} 15:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I personally use Lazlo's discography as updated at klf.de. Seems to be the closest we have to an authoratitive source. --kingboyk 15:56, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Song samples

Clips of the two main single mixes would be good. --kingboyk 07:26, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreement. --Vinoir 10:56, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Promotion

I have recently reviewed this article & found that it meets the criterion for being a good article. So I have promoted it to GA status. My congratulations to all the contributors for doing a fine job.

Cheers

Srikeit^{(talk ¦ ✉)} 12:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Nice one, thank you for taking the trouble to review the article. --Vinoir 12:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)