Talk:Lara Croft Tomb Raider: Legend

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Contents 1 Zip article 2 GameCube version 3 Fan sites 4 IGN.COM 5 Title 6 Cleanup? 7 A PS2 Screenshot?? 8 Improvement 9 Trivia 10 Criticism 11 Edited Legend 12 Lady Croft info 13 Reception/Ratings

[edit] Zip article

shouldnt there be a zip article, hes appered in 2 games and is obvisouly one of the main chracters now. Theres an article about Natla and she only appered in the first tomb raider.

[edit] GameCube version

Can anyone update the GameCube version part, knowing fully well that the game is out?

Just yesterday I've added some info regarding the GameCube version. I wish someone could add more info regarding the PSP version and its extras. Treeble 14:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fan sites

Could we please only have the most popular fan site(s) listed? I believe all these new sites that keep being added contravene Wikipedia's policy on fansites.

Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such.

Sam Burke 19:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

there is no such mention of that on the current version which i can see. Mathmo 13:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IGN.COM

http://www.ign.com hardly constitutes a "fansite".

Please read the following corporate "about us" page: http://corp.ign.com/

"Fansites" are understood to be fanpages created by fans themselves. As stated in the policy itself "Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included."

Fansites are more of an emotional appeal and an idol worship with discussion pages about their hero. IGN is a programmers website, and would constitute more of the informatiove, newsbased sort link that wikipedia is looking for.

Please don't come along and just start deleting things just because your mind has taken possession of the Wikipedia Tomb Raider webpages. These pages are an "open forum", encyclopedia sort of posting page; not a web fansite where you can just "get rid of people", and then find your entire web fansite removed from the Internet for various violations of International Law.

WB2 05:29, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Is this referring to myself or to everyone in general? I have only removed links which are blatant self-promotion. I believe only the official Tomb Raider site and the popular Tomb Raider Chronicles fan site deserve a listing on all Tomb Raider pages. You can judge TRC's popularity within various community forums and search engine rankings if you wish to do so.

Sam Burke 19:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm talking to you. IGN isn't a fansite. WB2 05:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

No it's not, but a completely unnecessary link as both listed sites have the exact same information. Sam Burke 12:26, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

And why does Wikipedia has title "Fan Sites" instead of "Fan Site", Mr Burke? Are you Wikipedia official? If yes, either please update that header, or stop abusing other site's rights, because from technical point there should go PlanetLara.com, not TRC. If you are not from Wikipedia, please stop wasting our time here. [Shehi@TRComm.Net] 02:54, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

O.K. Mr Burke, you are not a Sysop, you haven't even given information about yourself, and you just recently became a part of Wikipedia in January of this year. If you don't like multiple external links, then why haven't you criticized the main Tomb Raider page? There are several similar "external links" there. Again, a "fan site" is a personal opinion website, and that is why they are not encouraged here. I'm going to return the link; if you remove it again I can refer you out.

WB2 06:08, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I think either let all fan sites/anything else post a link or let no one post a link apart from the offical site. TRC is debated as the biggest TR site (as Shehi mentioned) and I doubt that anyone is going to accept having only their link on the page. We could have a seperate page with a list of TR fan sites as there are a large number but I don't know what the policy on that sort of thing is. [Lydia owner funkylydia.com]

Guys, please add sites WHICH HAVE content on Tomb Raider 7 Legend inside. Don't add every Tomb Raider site which has nothing to do with it. As president of Wikipedia recently said, they will have soon their main content which can't be edited. At that point I would strongly suggest they include all fan sites on topic. Plus, I would like to mention an important point here: there are sites which have unique content on some topic, content which is unavailable on other sites. E.g., tombraiders.net features the best walkthroughs/guides for Tomb Raider games by Stella, planetlara.com features the largest Tomb Raider art gallery, tombraidercommunity.com features one of the best guides written on former tombraiders.com by Theresa Jenne etc - you just can't ban those sites. It would not only be unfair, but a great loss of information. Wikipedia is the source of information right? Then Wikipedia is the only place which should value these sites. Don't throw sites into trash unless you have reviewed all of them completely. And yes, Wikipedia already says in its guidelines that sites earning money for viewing their content are not allowed in this list - which I have to agree with. Gamespot, Gamespy and all similars are commercial entities. However, removing all other fan sites from list is too much, too unfair. Thanks for your attention and understanding! [Shehi @ TRComm.Net] 16:08, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

[edit] Title

If you check Eidos's Website you will note that the actual title of the game is Lara Croft Tomb Raider: Legend. I was going to correct that in another article which led me here to notice how widespread the incorrect title is. Is there a reason for this or can it be fixed?--Dustin Asby 22:12, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Moved to the correct location. Mouse Nightshirt 16:22, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup?

Came here from the Cleanup project page - tbh, the article seems well enough written for now, considering that the game hasnt been released yet. I think the tag should be removed. Mouse Nightshirt 16:24, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A PS2 Screenshot??

How is a PS2 screenshot at 1024x768 resolution? --Kinghajj 05:29, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Improvement

Do we really need the Cheats section? I don't see any other popular games with a section like it, so I'll probably remove it if theres no objection... also, the demo and main section can be merged to take up less space. Mopper ^Speak! 02:17, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. Someone should get rid of the cheats. Balso Snell 19:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

The "Croft Manor" level is (probably) inspired on the Croft Manor seen in the first Tomb Raider film. DTE 14:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

The following paragraph has been removed:

"Some fans have criticized Legend, seeing it as an inferior addition to the franchise.^{[citation needed]} In the game, Lara has been changed extensively, despite claims that the game would take Tomb Raider "back to its roots."^{[citation needed]} Her appearance, her voice, her history, and even her mannerisms have been adjusted, so as to be more in-line with the movie representation of Miss Croft.^{[citation needed]} There still remains a small but dedicated number of fans who have boycotted the game which was created (and consequently any future games in the franchise), instead demanding a continuation of the trilogy began in The Angel of Darkness.^{[citation needed]} "

because every sentence needed a citation. If the entire paragraph is that flimsy, it should not exist unless it can be supported by evidence. I put it here so that, should citations appear, the material can be re-inserted.Rebochan 21:51, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edited Legend

I think it would be very interesting to have a section on this page listing the different aspects of Legend which were edited from the released version of the game. You can see parts which never made it to the final game at Gamespot screenshots and the first official trailers. It may also be wprht mentioning WHY CD decided to remove these aspects. of course, they have not commented on why, but many fans have discussed it on forums and the general conseses is that, since CD was new to the TR game, they wanted to "test the water", so to speak. What I mean is that they wanted to make a short but quality game to see how it would do when it was on sale. It would be nice if other people could make any useful additions that I may miss.

Is this section really necessary to the article? It looks messy, it has problems with being unsourced, and I don't see how it is so important that material in early trailers and screenshots didn't make it into the final game. I imagine this sort of thing is fairly common in the video game industry? - Shrensh 21:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lady Croft info

"In the beginning of the game, we can see how she disappeared after opening a strange portal in the Himalayan mountains. In the end, we discover that is was in fact future Lara who was talking to her mother, explaining several lines such as: 'What about my daughter?' this is the mother's response to Lara: 'Mother... It's me... Lara... Your daughter.' Amanda tells Lara that her mother is trapped in Avalon (she was teleported there after she pulled the sword from the dais). A possible sequel could be Lara searching for a new dais to re-open the portal and travel to Avalon and save her mother..."

this info seems too long and inappropriate since it contains spoilers for the game without the warning. I'm editing it.---mickey Ichiro

[edit] Reception/Ratings

Am I the only one who thinks that list of ratings is unnecessarily long? Could we shorten it up a little or maybe make it look like the table on Zelda Twilight Princess? Treeble 14:19, 12 December 2006 (UTC)