Talk:Lake effect snow
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Maybe we should have an article on snowbelts too, detail hereThadk 19:42, 2004 Jun 14 (UTC)
I added snowbelt into my revision. There seems to be opinions not backed up with facts throughout the article. I have marked where citations are useful and/or needed for those occurances. And another thing: Just who calls lake effect snow 'The Great Grey Funk?' Must be a Canadian/Midwest thing. Like mispronouncing the letter 'O' or calling carbonated beverages 'POP' rather than 'SODA.'216.170.144.5 12:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I believe it is a local term in some US areas. User:CuffX 03:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Western Edge of Lake Erie Snow Belt
Lake effect snow: Hey, ya reverted me edit. I grew up in Ashtabula County, Ohio in the NE corner of OH and I assure you that we get a inordinate amount of snow. No one considers it a suburb of Cleveland--an hour+ east of Cleveland. Mentor, maybe, not 'bula. Cheers. --Thadk 18:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- Mentor, Kirtland, Painesville, Eastlake, and places like that were what I meant. Ashtabula is also in the snow belt, but isn't the western edge of it. I used to live in Lake County, and had friends who lived in Euclid, and when the lake effect snow would come ashore, there would be a profound difference in the snowfall level across a sharp edge measured in a few blocks. One side would get two or three inches; the other would get the full dumping that the snow belt gets. Susan Davis 18:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lake effect redirect
Hi everyone, I suggest we should break the lake effect snow topic away from the lake effect redirect.
The whole issue is because the term “lake effect” simply refers to any atmospheric phenomenon which is a result of a lake. For example, the oasis effect is a lake effect phenomenon which occurs in the summer. There may also be lake induced thunderstorms which are September/October events and of course, lake effect rain which while very similar to snow is still not snow.
Just my 2 cents.
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[edit] Snow Squall Redirect
The term snow squall also redirects to this lake effect snow topic, I suggest this be changed since many snow squalls do occur throughout the world in winter weather environments from mesoscale forcing along trofs or waves and the term itself is highly generic referring to blinding snows. Thus while lake effect snow is a form of a snow squall there are many different types of snow squalls which are not just lake effect in nature such as the squalls which disrupted Dallas Texas in March of 2004.
- Then do so. Go to the snow squall article, remove the redirect, and create an article that differentiates between Lake Effect and snow squalls that occur due to significant height falls outside of lake effect areas. As long as you include Lake effect in a See Also section, all should be well. Thegreatdr 19:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Contents
this part is messed up. (look at it) would someone who knows what they are doing fix it?
- Do you mean, the table of contents? That's automatically generated, we can't do anything about it (other than maybe hide it). Or do you mean the actual content of the article, in which case you should be more specific. -- dcclark (talk) 21:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe the comment refers to the text above the Contents? That text (which is messed up) is:
In order for lake effect rain or snow to form the temperature difference between the water temperature between the surface and 850 mb should be at least 13 °C.
The "What is lake effect snow?" link presumably has the original text from which the above is derived. I think it should be something like:
In order for lake effect rain or snow to form, the moving air needs to be cooler and less humid than the surface air. Specifically, the air temperature should be 15 to 25 °C cooler than the water, and the dew point at an altitude where the air pressure is 850 mb should be 13 °C lower than the dew point of the air at the surface.
[edit] Research on past revisions of "messed up" sentence
For several revs back in spring of 2006, the sentence read:
"In order for Lake Effect rain or Snow to form the temperature difference between the water and the air at 1500 meters above the surface must be at least 13 degrees C."
A rev on July 10 by Rsholmes changed this to:
"In order for lake effect rain or snow to form the temperature difference between the water and the air should be 15C to 25C, and the difference in the dew point between the surface and 850 mb should be at least 13 degrees C." I presume the "850 mb" means the altitude where the air pressure is 850 mb, as noted above.
Next rev: "In order for lake effect rain or snow to form the temperature difference between the water temperature between the surface and 850 mb should be at least 13 °C." This is from Nov. 5 and Thegreatdr. It seems this is the faulty sentence.
I just copied the suggestion, and I'll be inserting it, subject to more online research. As a recent inhabitant of a region subject to lake-effect weather, the topic is of personal interest.
Schweiwikist • (t) 17:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
