Talk:Kunicon

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[edit] Controversy

Removed:

Further, some disputes over the attendance numbers of the first Kunicon in 
Miami, Florida were made by the owner of an established site that 
reviews and photographs conventions in the area. This attendance controversy
is discussed on thier site at Rising Sun.  There is also a
small LiveJournal community dedicated to boycotting Kunicon[1],
formed by an ex-employee. A derisive name, UsoCon, is being applied to it in these circles. "Uso" is a
Japanese term for "liar."

The above is my edited version of the original content. I had made an attempt to clean this clean this up to make it more NPOV while researching the statements made, but since I now find them to be centered around personal grievances of a few individuals, and their band of followers (not to say that there are not other disgruntled attendees, but they are in the minority, by far) This doesn't seem like it really belongs on an encyclopedic page. Since nobody is monitoring this page anyway, I've taken it upon myself to try and fix it. I'm no writer, I did what I could. --68.209.108.64 11:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

To the original author of the version before my edits, I get the impression you are seeking not to present facts, but to slant the facts in a particular direction. If you would like to discuss what facts warrant including in this article and how best to present them, I recommend that you present your suggestions here on the talk page. --68.209.108.64 11:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: comment: Past and future Kunicon conventions - The site is offline, the rest is just conjecture. It is not conjecture. Manny has admitted the forums were frozen after Kunicon, Miami 2004 and the blame was laid on the previous sysadmin in the Kunicon forums (which I have archived offline). Furthermore, the blame on the current systems admin (though less direct) was stated on Manny's livejournal. It's not conjecture if the information comes straight from the party in question. -- Nijyo 9/21/2005

[edit] Expansion and re-insertion

This article is not intended to spin Kunicon to the desires of the staff who plan and run it, nor the attendees disappointed by it. Rather, it is intended to be (as is Wikipedia in general) a verbose accounting of data and events around the topic. Kunicon has generated a fair amount of controversy, so to remove links that give accounting of this ongoing subject is disingenuous, to say the least.

[edit] Relevance

This is what a wiki page for an anime convention should look like Anime Boston

Wikipedia pages are a place for facts, not for your differences with the con or it's staff to be announced. There is no evidence to back either your claims nor the con's claims. This is all hearsay without documentation, and it is therefore non-encyclopedic. This is not what a wiki article is supposed to be, until you can learn to present unbiased facts in an encyclopeidia format you should refrain from contributing. (and no, I am NOT manny)

Wikipedia is an Encyclopiedia, See a Definition of a wikipiedia entry: Wikipedia --68.209.108.64 05:52, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

• Actually it's an Encyclopedia, but yes, otherwise that's right. — JIP | Talk 06:05, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
• Wikipedia is full of entries that make references to speculation. None of the claims in this article are even remotely intended to be documented facts, and are instead there to bring light to one of the overwhelming aspects of Kunicon, especially its internet presence- mainly, the controversy surrounding it. If Wikipedia is only to be a place of verified facts with documentation, please explain how the entries for Jesus Christ and Magic are so long.
• Information derives its authenticity from the trustworthiness of its sources. Opinion, impersonating as fact, only serves to dilute the authority of a reference.--68.209.108.64 18:19, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
• There was no "opinion impersonating fact" on this article. There was a list of events reported by attendees of the convention, which were presented as such. Eyewitness accounts are not automatically opinion. As the writer of the original article, I can say I have no opinion of Kunicon except the opinion that it generates a lion's share of controversy, which I thought was prudent to discuss on the Wiki, since it was an outstanding feature of the convention, and what is the purpose of an encyclopedia other than to report the outstanding? There was no opinion in this piece, just eyewitness reports. Would you be happier if there were links to each eyewitness report, or are you still going to insist that everything that doesn't strike your fancy is automatically invalid?
• I deliberately attempted to reflect the controversy around Kunicon in my expansions and elaborations. As such, I've made liberal use of phrases such as "it seems to be" and "some say that", to reflect such. But statements about disputes in attendance numbers and evidence of astroturfing actually reflect reality, and as such are not biased, even if they may be perceived to reflect poorly on Kunicon or members of its staff. If Anime Boston were as controversial as Kunicon, no doubt there would be reference to such in the article on it. -- Nijyo (p.s. it's "relevance" not "relavance"; I've taken the liberty of correcting)

• Edits done updating links and fixing micheru's links were mine, sorry I forgot to log in before I submitted the edits -- Nijyo