Talk:Kristen Pfaff

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Deleted the "Conspiracy Theory" section on this page. It was 1. Extremely Biased, 2. Extremely stupid 3. Not sourced, and 4. Ignorant. I hope it does not appear again.

[edit] New content

I've added some stuff to the Musical Career section, given a bit of info about Janitor Joe's releases, the Minneapolis scene, and Kristen's role in JJ's sound. I'll set up a rudimentary JJ page so the tree is better... I have a couple of questions, though, about the spring 1994 tour K played with JJ: Did she replace Wayne Davis (her replacement in JJ) or join as a second live bassist? Did she have any input into Lucky, the 1994 album? Anyone?

Kristen's work on LTT deserves discussion, too, since Love/Erlandson/Pfaff/Schemel is so often regarded as the classic lineup of Hole. I'll check the Hole discography for writing credits and add some reviews that focus on Kristen. Everett True's book, Live through this - American Rock in the 90's, talks about her playing style and a couple of reviews really champion her.

I've also added a bit of context to her decision to move to Seattle. Seattle Weekly.com is down, so I can't cite right now, but the quote from her father is reproduced and cited in Courtney Love: Queen of Noise, by Melissa Rossi.

White hotel 10:00, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

The Janitor Joe page is now up. Should I link it to the Hole tree?

I've separated her musical career section into Janitor Joe and Hole, and changed the 'Drugs and death' section to 'Seattle and after', adding some quotes from Spin and info from Rolling Stone. I will continue to expand the Hole section - there's lots of stuff available about the recording of LTT and its impact.

White hotel 15:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Headers

'Drugs and death' is a dreadful header title. Is this page chronological or thematic? Maybe we should have a 'musical career' section and a 'biographical info' section. Very little substantiable info is available about Kristen until very late in her life. I think we have to be careful not to let a biographical approach overshadow her career.

White hotel 12:42, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kristen Conspiracy Theory

This is a terrible article that addresses little about the subject and instead focuses on spreading hysterical Courtney Love conspiracies. This is one of the pitfalls of having random people create encyclopedia passages. This page needs to be changed.

The quotes here are from the book "Who Killed Kurt Cobain?" published in 1998 so I don't see how re-using quotes could be considered libelous, and as for the rest of the article, I didn't read anything that wasn't the truth.

Just because it comes from a book doesn't make it accurate. And Wiki, why don't you edit then since no one else will.

I agree I couldn't help but think this was so obviously manipulative reading this article. I would never have known this information came from a book without reading the discussion page and I'm quite sure numerous people won't read this page. --68.50.23.9 11:47, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

The fact that it comes from a book also doesnt mean its inaccurate. There also is a tendency to believe that all "conspiracy theories" are wrong, which is ludicrous.

The article needs to be edited as everbody says, I put one of these at the top {{NPOV}}--FlareNUKE 23:52, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Just because one person doesn't like it doesn't mean it's biased. They took a vote and decided to keep the page. Find something better to do and let it go.