Talk:Korčula

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I've moved the article to the modern name and updated other old names in the article text. It looks like it was pasted from an older material, perhaps one of the encyclopedias? --Shallot 15:27, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thank you! The "one" is Encyclopaedia Britannica 1911, which I recommend to you in fact, plus about a dozen details lifted from various websites by Googling and subsequently converted in my usual way by working them seamlessly into the elegantly modernized rewritten text. Check Encyclopaedia Britannica to see how brilliantly this has been accomplished, but don't fail to let me know if any antique wording has escaped my editorial net. Better also check Fernand Braudel, The Mediterranean in the Age of Philip II for lifted ideas. "Korcula" applied to historical Curzola is confusing to the educated reader, but its entry redirects here. Wetman 16:37, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I agree that the old names should be properly included, though for the sake of easier geographic orientation in the modern world, the names used in the last couple of centuries should be primary, rather than the medieval ones :) I've added a few more modern details and will probably add even more later. --Shallot 16:50, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I found a touristic site with detailed history Wetman 17:20, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Marco Polo's birthplace

Marco Polo isn't secure born in Curzola. SγωΩηΣ ^tαlk 16:46, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Nothing in history is "secure," is it? Before the rise of modern nationalism, did he speak Venetian is the apposite question. ...So Christopher Columbus was quite likely Catalan. Much of the European energy expended on such squabbles derives more from soccer fandom than history. --Wetman 18:59, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I have added more geography, small map and and some more data. You guys take a look.--Mestric 16:23, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

The map tells the story better than even a paragraph of text! It's a good-looking page. --Wetman 23:55, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

I removed a factual inacurracy that referred to the island lying "paralel to the Dalmatian coast". Though Korcula is aligned with Peljesac peninsula, technicaly mainland, it belongs to the southern group of islands ("Southern-Dalmatian group") whose propagation is east-west, unlike the remaining islands that are aligned with the coast. Hrundi 07:39, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

There is nod definite proof that Marco Polo was born on the island of Kocula, but there are many intrests for the Tourism industy of Krotia to turn such speculations into facts. Wikipedia is no place for these circumstances.

As long as no valid proofs are shown for the statement that Marco Polo was born on Kurcula, this statemant should have no place everywhere in en-wiki. At that time the polo-family had their central livingpoint already for about 1000 years in Venice and therefor it is much more probable that he was born in Venice. 89.50.44.52 17:34, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

- contrary to the Venetian documents, which say that they "came from Dalmatia", a Croatian maritime province. CHRONICON IUSTINIANI, 1358 (annotation) in the Venetian Bibliotheca Marciana. The Venetian manuscripts from: 1423., 1446., 1450/60., and the two documnets from the beginning of the 1600-ies.

The Venetian chronicler Marino Sanudo junior writes to that effect in 1522.: "Poli di Dalmatia". See A. C. Moule: MARCO POLO, THE DESCRIPTION OF THE WORLD (London, 1938), 17, 19, 20.

A. C. Moule says: "None of the large number of Venetian genealogies which we have been able to consult seems explicitly to recognize more than one family of Polo, namely "Polo di Dalmatia". Moule, 20.

Giovanni Orlandini, the Venetian authority on our subject writes in 1926., that the genealogy of the Polos is not "chiara" (clear). He asserts that their generalogy is traceable in Venice as from the middle of the XIIIth century. He believes that the Polos had been gradually comming from the Near East ports and settling, after the year 1261., in Venice in the consequence of the downfall of the Near East latin Empire. See G. Orlandini "Marco Polo e la sua familia" in ARHIVIO VENETO TRIDENTINO, vol. IX. 1926., 1-68, especiall pp.: 1-3.

A. C. Moule contends that the Pols genealogy can be traced in Venice, starting from the middle of the XIVth century. Moule, 20.

Marco Polo the elder writes in his Last Will (Venice, 1280.) that he came from Constantinople. As quoted by moule, 523-524.

His brothers, the merchant-travellers Maffeu and Nicolau fetched in 1250. the merchandise from Venice to Constantinople. They sejourned in the Black Sea area from then untill the year 1261. In 1261. They went to Asia and came back in 1269. In 1271., they went from Venice to Asia. Marc Pol the junior the son of Nicolau, (the author of the book), accompanied them on their second journey. (He was born in 1254., and died in 1324.).

They returned from Asia in 1295. Then they (definately) settled in Venice.

According to Vladimir DePolo, some Croatian manuscripts do mention: "The merchants, shipbuilders, travelers,... (etc) POLOS from Dalmatia, in the Near East ports including Constantinople. (The research paper published in Zagreb 1996. in the collection of the research works, entitled: MARKO POLO and THE EASTERN ADRIATIC IN THE XIIITH CENTURY).

Conclusion By their family roots comming from Croatia, the explorers Pols settled in Venice, after they had accomplished their historic explorations. Therefore they are misidentified as the "Venetian Polos".

(One Marco Polo was in the year 1300., among the rebels against the Venetian authorities, who condemned them to exile and then to death. Then the rebels flew to Croatia. Some writers believe that the said Marco Polo-rebel, was is fact the explorer Marc Pol himself.).

[edit] Tomislav?

Tomislav ruling Korcula? But how come??? --PaxEquilibrium 22:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)