Talk:Knanaya

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Knanayas ROCK!!

I agree wholeheartedly User:70.156.210.219. I would just like to point out a few problems with this page.

1)Although it has been a redirect from the (Arch)Diocese of Kottayam, the article includes mention of both Syro-Malankar and Nasrani/Syro-Malabar branches of Syriac Christianity.

2)The same people are called Meyuhassim or Malabari Jews, and their relatives who have chosen to revert their faith to pure Halakhic Orthodox Judaism are called Cochin Jews. Altogether they form one branch of the Kerala Jews divided on issues of belief in Jesus and skin-color from other Kerala Jews. At the same time they practice Endogamy and prefer to marry each other regardless of faith and never marry non-Meyuhassim, though they have married Meshuhararim.

3)Their language is Judeo-Malayalam regardless of whether their faith is Syriac Christian or more Jewish.

I think because of the complex nature of this ethnicity it needs a project I would like to propose a Mehuyassim project it will cross over the divisions of this unique Judeo-Christo-Malayalam culture and clear up misunderstandings.

Zestauferov 12:20, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello, I would actually like to learn more about the inquistion of the Cochin Jews. I'm by no means an expert, but I'd think, that Nasrani should either be merged with Saint Thomas Christians or with Knanaya. --Pjacobi 23:18, 2005 May 11 (UTC)

Nasrani as an Ethnic community

You stated that the pages Nasrani, Saint Thomas Christians or Knanaya should be merged.

No, it would be erroneous to do that. The article Saint Thomas Christians deals with the Nasrani people of Kerala as a religious group and seeks to describe its religious denominations and other related aspects. While the article Nasrani deals with the Nasrani people of Kerala as an ethnic people. (infact see the category in which the article Nasrani is listed at the end of that article).

In the same way that there is a significant difference between Jew and Judaism, there is a difference between Nasrani and Saint Thomas Christians. Jew deals with the entire ethnic community of the people of Jewish heritage and descent, or those people born of a Jewish mother. But Judaism is the religion followed by the ethnic community of Jewish people. The two concepts do highly overlap and are related but nevertheless they are independent in basic aspects and is treated as different.

In like manner, the nasranis is an ethnic community and in that sense a single community. However the ethnic community has various denominations as a result of the portuguese persecution. As an ethnic community they refer to themselves as Nasranis refering to the common cultural heritage and cultural tradition. However as a religious group they refer to themselves as the Mar Thoma Khristianis or in english as Saint Thomas Christians refering to the various and diverse [[[denomination]]s between them in terms of their religious tradition, despite a common ancestory of being the descendants of the early Mar Thoma church or Saint Thomas tradition of christianity.

The Knanaya people on the other hand is another denomination within the Mar Thoma church also called as (Mar Thoma khristiani) meaning Saint Thomas Christians. However they are a distinct community within the Nasrani ethnic group. Because of their long endogamous tradition.

This aspect is already written in the first paragraph of both the articles. Please read them carefully. Else this article would have been merged long back. The article Nasrani deals with the traditions of the nasrani community as an ethnic people and their present life (which has to be expanded). Robin klein 04:31, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Inconsistent usage of AD or CE

Noted that the article uses both forms to express dates. Suggest this hould be rationalised --Dunstan 13:15, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I object to the Bias of this page. We Knanaya are not all Christians, only the Nasrani among us are Christians. Can you please tone down the overtly Christian propaganda on this page and focus more on us as an ethnic group. Thankyou.81.154.38.43 14:13, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Its really sad that you have'nt took any refrence from the books writen by one of the greatest historian E.M.Philip which sems to be more reliable.

[edit] CopyVio

I've listed this article as copyvio because recently a lot of CV content may have been added in complex edits. I cannot distinguish what is and what isn't myself, and I don't want to revert all of the user's edits because not all of them are CV's, so I'm asking this to be reviewed. (|-- UlTiMuS ^{( U • T • C | M • E )} 07:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

The copyvio edits have been reverted . Instead of putting the entire works of several editors over the years under copyvio. It is better and fair to remove copyvio when vandals add them. otherwise many sincere wikipedia editors will be driven away from wikipedia due to hurt, despite sincere efforts over the years Robin klein 16:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Articles are not to be merged

The article Syrian Malabar Nasrani deals with the Nasrani people of Kerala as an ethnic people. The article Knanaya deals with a subgroup within that community. It is therefore essential to have separate pages for the topics of Syrian malabar nasrani and Knanaya, which are highly related. Besides it is wikipedia policy to create sub articles when there is lots of details within a subtopic. This has already been indicated with the main heading link given to the subpages. Robin klein 21:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)