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[edit] POTUS

No, I haven't seen it. But he led our country for many decades, whether it be fighting in the trenches of WWI, commanding the Allies during WWII, or eventually, tackling tough decisions at the White House. Thanks for your comment. Эйрон Кинни (t) 00:16, 8 March 2006 (UTC)



[edit] M. Shahid Alam

Were you planning on creating an AfD entry for this article? An anon has just removed the AfD notice and I went to revert then saw you hadnt actually done the entry. Let me know if I can assist, thanks! - GIen 03:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Protest Warrior

Please do not add sources that consensus agrees violate WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:OR, without discussing them on the talk page. Many Wikipedians are working to improve this article, and adding WP:OR and WP:RS such as Indymedia and RockNRev's site, you are hindering that effort. I encourage you to discuss changes on the talk page for Protest Warrior. Thank you. --Neverborn 05:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Terrence Malick

You could try the Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal. They are an informal mediation group. You just go down to "Making a request for assistance" and someone should help you soon. Gdo01 20:31, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rules of Engagement

What's your malfunction about this article? What are you afraid of? You can't handle the idea that something you don't like may have some value? What piece of factual information I posted do you have proof is false? If so, please send me links. Oh, and please send links with a neutral point of view. Deathbunny 06:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello kitrus, thank you for informing me of this. I will take a look at it within this week. Thank you. -Inahet 01:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Where is your evidence for Wafa Sultan being describing as an Atheist ?

You changed the page on Wafa Sultan by altering her description from secular to atheist see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wafa_Sultan&diff=prev&oldid=82768502 . This was reverted by others along with lots of other stuff that you did. As far as I know she has not stated that she is an atheist. As a self-described atheist myself I'm happy that people do describe themselves as this and would be interested in any evidence that you have that she has described herself with these words.... or are you just using atheist as some kind of derogatory label ? Edits of living people pages need to be very precise in how Wikipedia describes people. Please see WP:LIVING. OK ciao. Ttiotsw 13:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copied from Ttiotsw talk page FWIW

As a matter of fact, I do have proof of Wafa Sultan's athiesm. Rather than assume that I'm making using "claim" "as some kind of derogatory label", you should assume good faith and do your own research. [1]

Several months ago, an obscure 47 year old unemployed psychologist by the name of Wafa Sultan had a debate on Arabic television with Algerian religious studies professor Ibrahim al-Khouli. A "translation service" operated by former members of the Israeli intelligence apparatus called MEMRI posted a five-minute cut of the segment that seemed to show Sultan winning the debate. This was widely dessimated by the right-wing blogsphere and then the mainstream media, including The New York Times. Unfortunately, the cut was questionably translated and showed only a very short segment of the long debate. Here's a link to the translated transcript of the entire show:

Full Transcipt Link - .pdf format

Athiesm quote:

"I am not defending my opinion from a Christian perspective; I want to make this very clear: I am not Christian, I do not believe in any religion. I am a secular human being and do not believe in the supernatural, but I respect the right of all to believe in it."

[edit] Terrence Malick

I'm afraid simply reverting without using the talk page will lead to a continuation of the previous edit war. Wouldn't you like to discuss it further at the talk page? Delta Tango • Talk 11:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

The Talk Page for this article has an extended discussion of this. --Kitrus 06:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Extended? Possibly. Finished and wrapped up? The article talk page suggests otherwise. It would seem that there will be a continuing edit-war, unless the parties involved approach an agreement with each other. I trust that you will try your utmost to achieve this, and wait eagerly for your throughout considered response at the article talk page.

Now, consider this. Further edits to the article that doesn't have any consensus, will (apparently) be reverted. Now you seem to have two options. Convincing the other editors that you're right, or changing your mind. Or better, a combination of these two. Delta Tango • Talk 05:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Since the edit war has, with few exceptions, stopped for the past several weeks, I wouldn't get too worked up about it. When the reference to Malick's ethnic identity was taken out, both parties (me versus the dozen or so Assyrian editors) essentailly ceased the edit war.
If the issue still concerns you, I would point out that my primary source, Yahoo News trumped theirs.(link here)
The opposing editors failed to provide an equally respectable source. They relied on obscure online references. This can all be read on the Talk Page.
Out of curiosity, why did you approach me first and not the other editors?
--Kitrus 08:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Kitrus, I sympathize (see my entry in the discussion on Malick). It is really absurd to talk about Malick's "descent" in the opening line of his encyclopedia entry. Compare the entry on Albert Einstein, "a German-born physicist." Or on Martin Scorsese. Or on just about anybody else. Maybe all entries about human beings should say upfront, "descended from a proto-human ape" (but no doubt that would start another argument!). But I fear you are engaged in an unwinnable war. When people insist on being absurd, what can you do? Good luck. Mtevfrog 23:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I see now that there was a long period where the article was left alone with him being an American director. The reason I approached you first is because it was your edit I saw on my watchlist.

The best way to keep the article introduction stable is to assure that the parties involved don't have any reason to disagree. Threading to some degree carefully and with respect for the other parties involved will insure this.Delta Tango • Talk 08:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


I just reverted the article and posted the third proove along with it. Esarhaddon 00:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kitrus. Looks like you've thrown in the towel on Malick. I can't blame you, since I already suggested you were in an unwinnable struggle. Disappointed though. Should we change the entries on Woody Allen or Stanley Kubrick to begin: "...is an American film director of Jewish descent"? Or how about: "Michael Dukakis is an American politician of Greek descent"? So much work to do! Mtevfrog 00:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kitrus. Thinking about the issue further: are his parents actually born in Lebanon and Ireland (which Ireland?), or are they themselves "of such-and-such descent"? If they were actually born in these countries, I would suggest a solution (à la the Dukakis entry actually), whereby the second sentence of entry states where his parents were born (that is: "His father was from... and his mother was from...). But if his parents were only of such-and-such descent, I don't think that solution would work so well. Mtevfrog 00:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mtevfrog. His father emigrated directly from Lebanon. I think his mother simply has Irish background, but never necessarily stepped foot outside the states.--Kitrus 00:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
What about beginning the entry something like this?: Terrence Malick is an American film director. His Assyrian father emigrated from Lebanon, and his mother's background is Irish. It might solve the problem, while retaining a simple and proper opening sentence. Mtevfrog 01:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
That would be handing them an undeserved victory and giving falsified info on Wikipedia.--Kitrus 01:05, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Which is the false bit? Mtevfrog 01:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
If the false bit is the Assyrian thing, then I suggest going to this: Terrence Malick is an American film director. His father emigrated from Lebanon, and his mother's background is Irish. Mtevfrog 01:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikstalking

Your recent reversion of many of my recent edits are not helpful to the project. Please discuss your reversions on the talk pages of relevant articles, and don't remove sourced relevant information just for the hell of it. Elizmr 00:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Please look at the diffs. I didn't vandalize the Tutu page, I REMOVED vandalism. YOu, on the other hand DID vandalize a lot of pages I edited on. Please consider apologizing. Elizmr 01:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Here is some more info for you: Note: Kitrus has refused to admit that I did not say that Tutu was a child abuser. Please note:

  • Here is the diff AFTER my EDIT: [2]
  • Here is the diff BEOFRE my EDIT: [3]
  • Here is my edit summary: "rv unsourced material slanderous"
  • And here is the history page showing my reversion of vandalism and who the vandalism was added by [4]

Again, I'm asking you to apologize to me for this accusation of vandalism. Elizmr 01:51, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blanking and vandalism

Hi Kitrus, I saw you accused another user in being a vandal. May I suggest you read WP:VANDAL and WP:AGF because you seem to misunderstand it.

Also, please do not blank referenced and relevant content as you have done here. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens ну? 04:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Stop violating WP policies and intimidating other users. ←Humus sapiens ну? 04:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Don't expect to get far by making it personal and uncivil. Perhaps you've never heard of other WP policies: WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. From now on, we'll assume you know them all. ←Humus sapiens ну? 04:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
resolving disputes--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Summaries

No one at all, I was Rc patrolling and almost reverted you as removals of that size with no summary are almost always vandalism. That of course wasnt a warning- but I've removed to keep your page nice and tidy. Keep up the great work :)  Glen  10:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links

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[edit] Sockpuppets

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[edit] Edit summaries

With regards to this edit, please do not provide a misleading edit summary. If you feel the citation is unreliable, say that it cites an unreliable source rather than saying that it is uncited. Thanks, Andjam 11:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Content and Citations

Please do not remove content from article that are cited with a tag directly after the paragraph in question. The fact that the information was prominently known does not help either. Thank you. - MSTCrow 11:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

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