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[edit] Brother of Canard Pars and Parents - clarification needed

Either Canard Pars and Kira Yamato ARE DEFINITELY brothers; OR Ulen Hibiki and Via Hibiki ARE POSSIBLY parents. You can't have ambiguity with the brothers relationship and then they a definite from the same parents relationship at the same time. By definition, same parents = siblings (half or full or step another topic). If they have the same parents, then they ARE brothers. If that is not confirmed, then it should be changed that they POSSIBLY have the same parents. Therefore, either the parents needs to be changed in the Canard Pars and/or the Kira Yamato entry, or the brother relationship needs to be changed in the Canard Pars and Kira Yamato entry. But I need someone whom have read the Manga and watched the Anime to confirm this to give the appropriate answer. Akosygin 03:54, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

  • I have read manga and watched the anime. I would say it is hard to say Kira and Canard are or aren't 100% Brother and Ulen and Hibiki are possibly Parents of them. In short, both of them have their genetic modified when they are in zygote form (or such), and both of them was in artificial womb to prevent harming environtment changing their genetic. CMIIW . Anyway, Via Hibiki refers to them as her children, when quarelling with Ulen, because too many who failed. Draconins 05:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Also in eps 45 where Hibiki was talking about his little project it seemed to me that he was only trying to make is own children in to Ultimate Coordinator. But actually the interseting question is how many time did he fail. With the flash back you saw a number that was over 5000, would that mean he failed so many times.

[edit] Merge

Major characters should not be merged. Iceberg3k 03:03, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Recitation etc.

I don't want to hurt the feelings of the responsible editors, but who the bloody hell thought it reasonable to recount the minute details of the battles of the last episodes? It's a bloody encyclopedia, not a documentary!

IMNSHO, the last couple of paragraphes could be severely shortened down to two paragraphs without losing any crucial information whatsoever:

After obtaining Strike Freedom, Kira returns to Orb by dropping in from orbit, accompanied by Lacus Clyne in Infinite Justice. He intervenes in the battle taking place at Orb, saving Cagalli from being killed by Shinn Asuka. The latter is forced to withdraw from the battlefield for resupplies, which leaves Kira to helping with the defense.
When the resupplied Destiny and Legend enter battle again, he is almost killed at the hands of the ZAFT pilots, but is saved by the injured Athrun Zala.

That's it. This article isn't "retell the whole arc of SEED Destiny involving Kira", it's a encyclopedial article about a character. Or, in more understandable terms: it's not a biography, but a fluffy curriculum vitae.

I haven't got the heart to shorten the article by such a significant amount; I'd appreciate if the original author of those paragraphs (who also has a tick for writing from a point of view perspective) would understand his error and correct his own mistake. -- towo 00:25, August 23, 2005 (UTC) IMHO, rather than shorten the paragraph it is better for using sub-section. As the short paragraph above can make ambiguity about the matter for the ones who never actually seen corresponding anime episode or manga chapter. The ambiguity (IMHO): Who the ZAFT pilots? The Cannon fodder ^^? Is he is really almost killed (he may only take severe damage, who know? Remember Muu's case?)? And more of these, Kira outperform Shinn in one to one battle in the first part (the destiny sword even get caught and destiny may be killed if Kira using the abdomen cannon) Not to mention Shinn in second part also almost shot by the double beam rifle if not intervened with legend.152.118.24.10 05:48, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to shorten it. I watch this article, and it definetly needs it. I just haven't taken time to shorten. Dark glaive 22:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Uh, I have putting sub-sections on history section. Hope you all like it. ^^ Draconins 06:31, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About Kira being the culprit of Shinn's family death

After viewing phase One of Destiny many times, I dont see how Freedom's HiMAT was taken as the direct culprit of Shinn's family deaths. Its Oficial (i.e. its in the official site) or its just fan information? Even then, at that particular episode of SEED, Freedom was fighting against OMNI/EAF new MS, specially Forbidden,who could deflect incoming beam attacks, so I dont really see Kira being directly blamed for their deaths, unless its a fact said in the official site...

  • I would say so, i notice some edit war a long time ago regarding this matter, anyway there is no proof (at least for me) that Kira DIRECTLY kill them, but I agree if you say INDIRECTLY as wars alyways make victims, don't they?152.118.24.10 05:35, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nature of the relationship between Lacus and Kira

Do we need such section? As I saw it is mostly a speculation (although based on facts)? Draconins 02:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a topic worth mentioning, it is true that there are 2 such views towards the relationship. It could perhaps do with some cleanup to make it look more neutral. It's also in the section for Lacus.--71.12.221.109 18:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it's worth having to a degree. Discussion of their relationship (one which seems important to both of them) is worth having since they're not presented within the story as typical googly eyed lovers. What isn't needed is comments about fans hoping we'll see them kiss or get married, hence why I edited that out in both Kira and Lacus' pages. --HellCat86 22:48, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ranks of Kira Yamato

I am currently confused about Kira Yamato's rank in Orb Union. Anyone can explain that? Or maybe we can have page about ranks' insignia in Orb Union (and also EA)? AFAIK, Orb Union rank is based on Army rank of old Japan Empire, and their general only have 3 levels (Major General, Liutenant General, and General). AFAIK too, The Japan Empire Naval Rank has (Commodore, Rear Admiral, Vice Admiral, Admiral. ). So IMHO, Kira Yamato final rank is General. Draconins 14:57, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

You can go here for the ranks Orb Military Ranks. Neovu79

Thanks, I already found that page, but forgot to reply here.... Thanks anyway... Draconins 03:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm atempting to find a much better picture of Kira in his General/Admiral Orb uniform. For now, it's better to leave the title rank associated with the current picture out. Neovu79 17:02, 12 June 2006 (EST)

Does anybody object to adding Commander, Orb Space Fleet under Kira's Rank/Position? Neovu79 23:51, 11 June 2006 (EST)

Instead of the title, Commander of Orb Space Fleet I decided to go with a traditional military title, Commander, Orb Space Fleet. It's only a small change, bit tradition is tradition. :) Neovu79 00:01, 12 June 2006 (EST)
Well, tradition seems to disagree with you. ^_^ Commander is not used in this context, instead it should be said Commanding Officer, ORB Space Fleet. He still seems awkward in this position, anyway. Khathi 02:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is Kira a Newtype?

With Kira's ability to sense other known Newtypes and the ability to utilize the DRAGOON system, would the rest of you consider Kira as a Newtype? Neovu79 01:25, 13 June 2006 (EST)

Not until it is officially stated. - Plau 12:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I consider Kira is newtype or "newtype-like". Why I said newtype-like ? Because newtype , AFAIK, never stated in CE episodes Draconins 08:12, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

There have been a few scenes to indicate that Kira might be developing Newtype abilities, like those of Mu La Flaga and Rau Le Creuset. However, Fllay's death scene is not one of those. It was directly stated by director Mitsuo Fukuda that Kira didn't see Fllay or hear anything that she said to him in that scene, and as much as some fans don't like to accept what Fukuda says, he is the director. Also, if you watch the scene carefully, you'll notice that Kira never reacts to the appearance of Fllay's spirit, nor are any the things he says in the scene actually responses to Fllay's lines. 68.47.175.214 00:56, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Can you provide source for this? 152.118.24.10 05:29, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Just so we won't start the edit war I want to clarify something. To operate older generations of DRAGOON system or gunbarrels one indeed should be a Newtype. But spatial awareness itself isn't a some arkane ability tht only Newtypes have. It's simply the ability to track what's going around you -- ANYONE have it. Newtypes have it as well, they just much much better at it -- so they can say exactly where would be that car you've just seen speeding past your left shoulder. Oldtype would just say "It's somewhere behind", while Newtype will point its exact position and speed vector. --219.51.104.117 10:19, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The answer is very simple, there are no newtypes in the CE timeline, none.
Therefore, Kira is not a newtype, nor Mu, nor anyone that are CE characters.
Unless anyone can provide source, official source, stating there are newtypes in the CE timeline, we are pretty sure about Kira not being a newtype at all.
For further explanation, I have listed more logical proof in the newtype article due to recent vandalism act on adding unsourced and original research material on all the pages regarding CE characters with high spacial awareness. MythSearcher 05:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BIAS

First, Why everyone put thier hands for making this article the best ever, everyday there are a new changes, But in other articles specially Shinn Asuka article biases unlimited and the way of writing is from the OWN POV not NPOV, And if you want to add something it will be deleted in the same time why is that, Is this web for OWN OPINIONS or the NPOV. COULD ANYONE HELP ME.

Hello, please calm down. Please assume good faith, and don't forget to sign your post. From my perspective, I work on one article until it is enough, then the next so I thought the others may do same as me. Draconins 05:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup Tag?

Err, I just notice that someone put the cleanup tags. Any comment or change request? I don't understand what should I do, since the cleanup requested per cleanup tag, in my humble opinion, is not needed. I really don't get what points should be cleaned. Draconins 07:40, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I added the cleanup tags, and they're both relevant. This article doesn't summarize the plot of SEED; it borders on a SEED novelization. This needs to be dramatically reduced.
Likewise, this article makes it nearly impossible to verify any claim made here. This needs to be rewritten from an out-of-universe perspective, per WP:WAF. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 10:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About the Kira Yamato page

What needs to be edited/removed out of Kira's page? I visit the page daily to make sure there's nothing missing.

Hohoho, You are visiting this page daily and you didn't found anything anything anything at all, Well I found that little biased statement:
In the Aftermath:
Kira's accomplishments in both Bloody Valentine Wars proved that he is one of if not the most skilled mobile suit pilot in the SEED universe
He is one of the 3 best pilots but he wont ever be the best pilot, I think that there are no need for that biased statement, Deleting it will be more better.Astrys 22:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Er, the "he is one of if not the most" is show us that he is probably one of the best or the best. The statement didn't claim that he is the best. And, out to the topic, In my opinion, your statement above also biased.... 219.83.2.59 13:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
If you think that you are right while you are wrong then why not Shinn and Athrun has the same statement in their articles, There are no way to say that Kira is better than anyone of them so: Deleting it or adding a similar statement to Shinn and Athrun articles.
And this statement doesn't prove that he is the best but it says that Kira is one of the best pilots or the best, And it means that other pilots like Shinn and Athrun are one of the best but wont be the best because Kira is the best. Again Kira is one of the best 3 pilots in C.E but he wont be the best pilot, If you want to keep this statement then we must add a similar statement to Shinn and Athrun articles or we must say that:
"Kira's accomplishments in both Bloody Valentine Wars proved that he is one of the 3 most skilled mobile suit pilots in the SEED universe"
OR:
"he is one of the most skilled mobile suit pilots"Astrys 22:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Long time I don't check this page and I find a seed of war again... 219.83.2.59 is pointing out that the statement doesn't mean to say Kira is the most skilled. I don't understand, where did you (Astrys) deduced this logic: And it means that other pilots like Shinn and Athrun are one of the best but wont be the best because Kira is the best. I still can't derive this. Statement "he is one of if not the most" implies that it is possible that other pilot (even Mu, etc) is the best because it is probable that the other pilot is the best.... At least my understanding of logic says so. About if you want put the sentence in Athrun's or Shinn's page, it is okay and it has nothing related to this page.... I just curious that the sentence "he is one of if not the most" may need reference. OK? Draconins 12:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Again, The all thing is that saying "He is one of if not the most" means that Kira is one of the best pilots and maybe the best pilot and since he would be the most skilled pilot then others wont be the best because he is the best, I'm sorry but I think that you can't understand the idea that if someone is the best others wont be the best because if there are others as skilled as this pilot he wont be called the best, It would be changed to one of the best, I'm not saying that because I want to put it in Shinn's or Athrun's page, I'm saying that because my logic says to me that he is one if not the most means that he would be the best and since he is the best others will be called second best and third best, I think that it would be better to change this statement to a similar statement of what I said before but if you want to keep it then Athrun and Shinn would like to have a similar one, I don't think that I will add things al least you know my problem with English.Astrys 23:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
And sorry, If something, The seed of war came from this statement, If I want to start a war I can prove easily how pathetic Kira is but we wont ever end because no one would listen to the other.Astrys 23:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry I can't continue discussion since I see severe problem on your English and logic. Meybe time teaches you the better ways. Moreover, the sentence have been deleted too (^^). However, I warn you once again: "Do not provoke flame wars and be polite!" . Your sentence : "If I want to start a war I can prove easily how pathetic Kira ...." could stage flame war. Please check your manner, this is public encyclopedia not fan's forum. For you know, I do like Kira, I do not like Shinn, however I always try to maintain neutrality and give as objective as I can. I think many other wikipedians do, and they try as hard as they can to refrain themselves from such provoking sentence. Thanks.... ^^ Draconins 15:11, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
My logic is fine but your's not, I know the better ways of discussing but you???, Ok, saying about wars and flames Oh ya, Your sentence in clearly the reason of this not my sentence, Saying that "Kira is maybe the most skilled pilot" will easily start a war, And my sentence means it can be proved that Kira isn't the best pilot(nor Shinn and Athrun) so saying that he is one of "If not the most skilled" is clearly a bias, and ya this is public encyclopedia not fan's forum and you know that so there are no need for biases, If you want to keep this sentence, Athrun and Shinn must have a similar one if not say that he is one of the best pilots that's would be enough.
For you know, I do like Kira, I do not like Shinn, however I always try to maintain neutrality and give as objective as I can.
That's why you are trying to write that Shinn is an anti-hero, to make it clear that Kira is the hero.Astrys 09:24, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Doh... You really got my nerve now.... I really hate this kind of talking. I didn't say that I want to keep that sentence, in my opinion that sentence unsourced... It is juts your logic is problematic.... Enough said.... Draconins 04:43, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


This trivia is pretty redundant, do we really need this much?


It is not redundant. In my opinion, i believe that some tidbits for an article is needed as it tells about the unknown things that the audience might have missed. Also, we do not need a large trivia, although relevant data can be placed inside.

I have cleaned up a bit on the article (gramatical, redundant words etc.), but it still is in a mess, retelling the story from Kira's POV.

[edit] Weight

How in hell does a person loose THAT MUCH weight at the same time GROW TALLER? Where is this stat information coming from? Do all the characters have an eating disorder that we don't know about? We a lead to believe that all the characters are doing well. I believe that some of the stats on all the characters are fabricated.

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