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[edit] Re: Afghanistan provinces

I got into a little tiff with Tobias Conradi over finally renaming the provinces of Afghanistan back to the "X province" format, from the "X Province" format he put them in some time ago. I have a question for you, since you seem to know something of Afghanistan: Can you state that "X province" is more accurate than "X Province?" (I noticed, on User talk:Jeltz, that every one of the google results you gave were to news sites, which may not know the standard. Or maybe they do! I don't know.) And, secondly, is there any reason not to use simply "X"? That is, if we put the articles at Paktia, Panjshir, Kandahar (province), etc? I know you're on vacation, so I wait for your reply. Thanks! :) --Golbez 15:51, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard

I have created a new project page at Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard, and Secretondon suggested that I tell my fellow bureaucrats about it. It's designed as a forum where users with bureaucrat rights can discuss difficult situations, either beforehand (for advice about what to do) or after taking action (for review and feedback). It's similar to another page I created, which is starting to catch on (e.g., Jimbo used it this August): Wikipedia:account suspensions, which is not for 3RR or simple vandalism but for close calls and disputed blocks.

Please take a look at these new project pages and give some feedback. Good idea? Bad? Needs improvement? --Uncle Ed 12:23, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Port of Prince Rupert

Please see Port of Prince Rupert and talk:Port of Prince Rupert

WikiDon 19:22, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] your help is needed @ Schiavo

your help is needed at:

Talk:Terri_Schiavo and also at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Terri_Schiavo

both are time-sensitive issues; could you come and vote. Come and vote, please...?--GordonWattsDotCom 07:21, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Since you said you were confused, I made the voting booth especially for you (except the first vote, which is a closed vote).
  • Here it is, plain and simple.

[edit] Re: Katrina deaths

[edit] Re: Katrina deaths

I found another source. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/08/31/ohioans_focus_on_helping_katrina_victims/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+News

The information is shown about 2/3 down the page. The original link changed the news story on the same page. I will change them. CrazyC83 15:19, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Katrina deaths

I found another source. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/08/31/ohioans_focus_on_helping_katrina_victims/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+News

The information is shown about 2/3 down the page. The original link changed the news story on the same page. I will change them. CrazyC83 15:19, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Katrina deaths

I found another source. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/08/31/ohioans_focus_on_helping_katrina_victims/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+News

The information is shown about 2/3 down the page. The original link changed the news story on the same page. I will change them. CrazyC83 15:20, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Katrina deaths

I found another source. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/08/31/ohioans_focus_on_helping_katrina_victims/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+News

The information is shown about 2/3 down the page. The original link changed the news story on the same page. I will change them. CrazyC83 15:20, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Hurricane Katrina death toll

Kingturtle, you asked me to redothat on IRC and later you revert me for doing so. You basicaly made me waiste several hours. Can you PLEASE tell me what the heck is going on? Please also notify me on my talk page. --Cool Cat Talk 20:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Also you removed "Terrebonne" stats from Lousiana. entry. --Cool Cat Talk 21:02, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I am not pissed ...much... but I thought it look better, I just want to improve meself. --Cool Cat Talk 21:02, 20 September 2005 (UTC)


coolcat, my specific request in IRC was for someone to change the "Totals" row from 4 columns to 5 columns. this was something i wasn't able to figure out within the confines of the chart that existed. i did not ask for a total overhaul of the chart.
the States and their totals should appear in the first columns, and then subsets should appear in further columns. i am sorry for the amount of time you spent redoing the chart. can i reimburse you by doing a wikipedia task for you? :)
Kingturtle 21:09, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
P.S. I will add Terrebonne stats right now. thanks for catching that ommission.
Not just that but the "missing" are missing as well. See katrina toll talk page for a few issues I have with current template. --Cool Cat Talk 21:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
I refuse to let those hours to waiste ;). Lets see what we can coe up with. Ok? --Cool Cat Talk 21:43, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
I was the one who added the "Missing" column. I decided to remove the "Missing" column because I felt the States and the States Totals columns should be separated from one to two - and if I didn't remove the "Missing" column, the chart would get too wide.
I am happy to do a project for you. i owe you that time! Kingturtle 21:49, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image deletion rampage

Just a heads-up, but it seems that Jimbo Wales has decided to tighten up image tagging requirements, and has ordered immediate expunging of unsourced images. Some admins have thrown themselves into this hastily (User:Zscout370 for example), who aren't bothering to notify the uploaders or even remove the links. I bring this to your attention because Image:Benzodiazepine.jpg -- still in Benzodiazepine -- was deleted a few days ago. Better check your images for proper tags. --Calton | Talk 08:01, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use outside of article space

Hi. I see that your user page includes one or more "fair use" images (e.g. Image:Marine-raiders.jpg). You may not be aware that the fair use exception requires a separate justification for each use of an image, and it difficult to make a fair use argument outside of the main article namespace. Please see Wikipedia:Fair_use#Images for details. Cheers, Bovlb 07:49, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

I am confused. Are you saying that I can't show that picture on my userpage because I can't justify it's use there? Kingturtle 18:24, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm afraid that's correct. Wikipedia:Fair_use#Images gives the details, but essentially fair use is out for user pages. Bovlb 15:38, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Are there any other images on my user page that need to be removed? Kingturtle 18:21, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
I didn't look, and I'm supposed to be on WikiVacation this week. Sorry. I'm thinking of scripting the detection of fair use images outside article space. Bovlb 22:13, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Please do not script such an activity. That will rub people the wrong way. The tactful and kind way is to tell individuals of their image violations, and have them remove said images. Kingturtle 23:06, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Just to clarify, I was thinking of writing a script that would produce a list (e.g. sorted by page) for more convenient human action. Such a list would have answered your question. I am not proposing to script any removal of images or image links. I have been experimenting recently with finding violations of this type manually and then contacting users, with mixed results. By the way, I think (IANAL) that a link to an image ([:Image:…]), as opposed to an inline image, would not violate copyright. Have a look at what I've done with my (modest)upload gallery. (Hmm. I wonder if we could make the gallery extension de-inline "fair use" images.) Bovlb 14:10, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ITN

Someone was just able to vandalise the main page beacuse you included an image on the ITN template that was not protected. If you don't know a commons admin you must upload the image to wikiepdia, tag in with {{c-uploaded}}, and protect it before you can add it to the main page.--nixie 00:35, 5 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Hello kingturtle

It seems to me that you are black, or know about black people, so I thought I' ask you:I do not fully understand the term, nigger. If a person is born white, but eventually goes black maybe from a tan, would he/she be allowed to say it? What if he was muslim? Note: I am not being racist, I really want to know.

[edit] Years in baseball

Can you have a look at Category:Baseball, and try and figure out why 9 (and only 9) of the "year in baseball" articles are showing up there? There's no real reason for them to be in the main category as well as the sub-cats. I can't for the life of me figure out what's causing it. 1966 in baseball shows up there, for example, but 1996 in baseball doesn't, and I can't find any difference in the formatting of the pages. MisfitToys 23:30, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sylvia Wright and Mondegreens

Hi. Back in May, someone I "cyber-know" added some material to Mondegreen, which you reverted a week later. She mentioned it recently, and I'm curious about what was wrong with it. Also, I think it's too bad to discourage an occasional Wikipedian like her, since she's very scrupulous about getting her facts straight and substantiating them. Anyway, I added the material back with some edits of my own and put something on the Talk page, so you can answer here or there or on my talk page. Thanks. —JerryFriedman 21:41, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't remember why I made that revert. Her edits look clean. Whatever the reason is lost on me now. Thank you for putting her edits back in. Kingturtle 02:40, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
You're welcome and thanks! —JerryFriedman 21:16, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please contact for newspaper article

Rich,

If interested, I'd like to speak with you about the Ocala and Marion County entries on Wikipedia for a newspaper article. I work for the Ocala Star-Banner. Phone me at 352-867-4154. I'm hoping to have the story completed by Monday for a Wednesday edition. Thanks,

-Ken

[edit] Yahoo!

Hi Kingturtle. Apologies for reverting your edit using the rollback button instead of leaving a comment directing you to the talk page. I didn't think it was irrelevant, but just wanted to see citations as I've not seen any reference to that on the web. Please respond here. Thanks. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 04:00, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Halibutt

Since you have supported me during my RfA, I wonder if you could review and comment on the RfA for Halibutt, the first person I have nominated myself. There seem to be a heated debate and votes of experienced, unbiased editors would be appreciated. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:11, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. WikiThanks.
I would like to express my thanks to all the people who took part in my (failed) RfA voting. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! I was also surprised by the amount of people who stated clearly that they do care, be it by voting in for or against my candidacy. That's what Wiki community is about and I'm really pleased to see that it works.
As my RfA voting failed with 71% support, I don't plan to reapply for adminship any more. However, I hope I might still be of some help to the community. Cheers! Halibutt 05:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Important AfD

I am contacting editors applies NPOV and NOR standards rigidly for their input on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of modern day dictators, where a consensus has yet to be established. I think this AfD is particularly important because it has been bringing to light some fundamental differences in interpretations of content policies among editors. If you have time, please take a look at the page and add your input. Best regards. 172 07:56, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

Did Reagan really say that? When and where? That might be good for Wikiquote if there are good cites. --Mr. Billion 00:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

  • The quote is attributed to Reagan. But I don't know where or when he said it. Moreover, at one point, in one of his Saturday addresses, Reagan challenges the quip as being inaccurate. Kingturtle 00:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gulf War Syndrome's Principi quote in light of uranium as a neurotoxin

Dear Kingturtle, why did you do this? The 2005 Nebraska research which you reverted away is rock-solid, and none of the other substances which I had removed mention of are teratogenic. I can get more sources about the neurotoxicity of uranium if you like; please let me know. 71.141.165.166 19:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I did not revert away. I re-added "United States Veterans Affairs Secretary Anthony Principi's panel found that more recent studies suggest the veterans' illnesses are neurological and apparently are linked to exposure to neurotoxins such as the nerve gas sarin, the anti-nerve gas drug pyridostigmine bromide, and pesticides that affect the nervous system. Research studies conducted since the war have consistently indicated that psychiatric illness, combat experience or other deployment-related stressors do not explain Gulf War veterans illnesses in the large majority of ill veterans," the review committee said."
Please explain to be better what needs to be done and I will help. Kingturtle 21:31, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Okay, well, I think the link to the 2005 Nebraska research should be added back, because as far as I know it was the first peer-reviewed medical publication proving that uranium is a neurotoxin. That means that uranium inhalation exposure can explain the observed birth defects, immune system problems, AND the behavioral problems, whereas from 2002-2004 it could only explain the first two. Does that make sense? 71.141.121.198 21:55, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Classic Rock

Hello. I was wondering if you would like to participate in my classic rock survey. I'm trying to find the most like classic rock song. There is more information on my user page. Hope you participate! RENTASTRAWBERRY FOR LET? röck 02:10, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding edit to December 13th

I have reverted to add Crip's back. It's media coverage and events following, as well as the fame of the victimmakes it important enough. I suggest you comment in the talk page before so big changes. Thank you. --Computerjoe 18:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the welcome back. I feel rejuvenated. User:Zoe|(talk) 02:46, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Afganistan

I noticed you have made a lot of contributions to the Afgan articles. I am curently working on some texts over at Wikisource in particular some of Kipling's poetry with references to Afganistan under the Birtish Empire. For example I would like to link to Michni and Mooltan which I believe are places in Afganistan or the Northwest Province. Perhaps they are too small of towns to merit an article but maybe they are no longer called by the same names the Britsh used. The other question I had was if you knew if the Hurrum Hills are along the Durand line? Any help you could give me would be appreciated.--BirgitteSB 20:48, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] re:Category:Wikipedians by D&D Alignment

I noticed you are categorized as a Wikipedian by alignment. If you are in to userboxes, there are now infoboxes available using a standard template. See the alignment category page for details. xaosflux Talk/CVU 18:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Twee

Hi, I've reverted your redirect. Could you describe why you redirected on the talk page? Thanks :) - FrancisTyers 00:16, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hi Kingturtle. I appreciate your vote and want to deal with your concern on my Rfa. I have sent you a message. Thanks --a.n.o.n.y.m t 21:50, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Sent it where? via email? i have not received it yet. Kingturtle 22:58, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
By email. :) Sent again. --a.n.o.n.y.m t 01:34, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

the email was never received. Kingturtle 22:21, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gnome

Yeah, I like that little guy, probably because he looks a lot like me. Right now he's freezing though and looking forward to spring. So am I. All the best, <KF> 19:27, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My Request for Adminship

Hey, thanks a lot for voting in my RfA, I got it! :) If you need anything, just give me a shout. - FrancisTyers 01:08, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

 Hi,
I just want to say thanks for supporting me on my request for adminship! It passed by a 58/3/0 margin, so I am now an administrator. If you need me to help you out, or you find that I'm doing anything wrong, please don't hesitate to contact me. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 20:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of anti-heroes

Thanks a lot for your message. I discovered this morning that the list had gone when I had a look at my user page and saw a red link there. Only then did I realize that it had been (successfully) put up for deletion. I also realized that you were one of the few people who said they found the list useful and who wanted to keep it.

I've had similar experiences before, so now I think I know what to do. I retrieved the list, and it can now be found for my own personal use on one of my subpages ("Sanctuary III"). I was "allowed" to do that sort of thing before, so I've done it again. Feel free to use the list.

Of course I'll support a vote for undeletion.

Thanks again for the message, and all the best, <KF> 22:08, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

In case you are interested, I have just added my thoughts to Wikipedia_talk:Lists_in_Wikipedia#Deleting_lists.2C_and_a_proposal. <KF> 03:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question from newbie

Hi. I received a welcome message from you and have been making edits and new articles but really only know the very very basics so I thought I would ask here. I created an article for a political activist, Grace Lee Boggs. I also want to create one for her late husband, James Boggs. The problem is that phrase redirects to some US Senator. Moreover, the two James Boggses died in 1993 so currently my page is quite confusing. I tried to be self-reliant but the whole discussion on disambiguation sounds very complex. It seems like the redirect page needs to be changed to a disambiguation page to reflect the fact someone needs to create a new James Boggs page. Could someone help me? Rmalhotr 08:20, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Rmalhotr...what we can do is change the James Boggs page from a redirect into a disambuous page. do you know his middle name? if not, what is his significance? was he an activist, a jurist, etc.? Kingturtle 20:35, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

No middle name that I know but he was an activist in the civil rights movement for racial equality and community activist in Detroit. The current redirect for James Boggs goes to a Senator with a different name. What I found daunting was all the links to the old redirect apparently have to be changed and that's just beyond my technical skills. Rmalhotr 23:20, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Use of copyrighted material

I'm new here (I've been editing anonymously for a while but have just become a registered user) and have been trying to figure out how, when, or even if, copyrighted material can be reproduced on Wikipedia. I tried searching through the "Help" sections but just got more confused. The article that got me wondering about it is the Wikipedia Tree of Life/Update of the Angiosperm Phylogeny Group article, which is a near-verbatim (albeit "wikified") copy-and-paste of a published and copyrighted article. It seems that there is no consensus on the use of copyrighted material, but without a clearly stated and enforced policy it seems that Wikipedia is leaving itself wide open to some legal difficulties. This is an important issue to me (having had my own work plagiarized in the past) and has me re-thinking my involvement with Wikipedia. MrDarwin 19:33, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

  • i have removed the text of the article and replaced it with a copyright infringement tag. the syntax of the tag i used was: {{copyvio|url=http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1046/j.1095-8339.2003.t01-1-00158.x/full/}} ...please use these tags whenever necessary. wikipedia must avoid copyright infringement at all costs. thanks, Kingturtle 20:41, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Many thanks for your support on my request for adminiship, I'm sure you'll be glad to know the final result was 92/1/0. I am now an administrator and (as always) if I do anything you have issue with, please talk about it with me. --Alf melmac 11:28, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Pgk's RFA

Thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was (80/3/0), so I am now an administrator. I was flattered by the level of support and the comments, so I'm under real pressure not to disappoint, thus if you have any queries, suggestions or problems with any of my actions as an admin then please leave me a note --pgk(talk) 11:41, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: WP:SIGN

I've replied at Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2006-01-02/ArbCom candidates. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:03, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Francs2000's Bureaucratship

Thanks for your support on my request for bureaucratship.

The final outcome was (70/5/0), so I am now a bureaucrat. I seriously didn't expect so many good comments from everybody and I appreciated the constructive criticism from those that gave it. If you have any queries, suggestions or problems with any of my actions as a bureaucrat then please leave me a note. -- Francs2000 21:58, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Free Speech -vs- Property Rights

"A man who represents himself has a fool for a client." - Abraham Lincoln

I think I may be in need of the assistance of an administrator, hopefully someone who values the freedom of expression. I'm having a little debate of copyright law, fair use, and Wikipedia guidelines with some folks lately regarding my use of images on my Userpage. From what Thames has indicated to me, as long as an image is in use on Wikipedia for an article, I shouldn't have a problem using it on my Userpage or userboxes. That seems about right. Geni is of the opinion that only an image used in an article is "safe", and that any other use is illegal. I've tried explaining (and quoting US copyright law) that "Fair Use" law is very weak. If Wikipedia uses an image ANYWHERE it is pretty much at the mercy of who owns the copyright of the image. At least the use in an article gives some excuse of Fair Use. But, blocking images from being used elsewhere onsite won't offer Wikipedia any additional protection at all. So the only rationale for doing so is just plain censorship. He tried to use the argument that only governments can censor, and well...that's not true. It only requires the power to suppress speech, in any form of organization. I got the following from the US copyright office. I mean, am I wrong here?

(From US Copyright Office)
Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered “fair,” such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair:

the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

the nature of the copyrighted work;

amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The distinction between “fair use” and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.

The 1961 Report of the Register of Copyrights on the General Revision of the U.S. Copyright Law cites examples of activities that courts have regarded as fair use: “quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author's observations; use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied; summary of an address or article, with brief quotations, in a news report; reproduction by a library of a portion of a work to replace part of a damaged copy; reproduction by a teacher or student of a small part of a work to illustrate a lesson; reproduction of a work in legislative or judicial proceedings or reports; incidental and fortuitous reproduction, in a newsreel or broadcast, of a work located in the scene of an event being reported.”

Copyright protects the particular way an author has expressed himself; it does not extend to any ideas, systems, or factual information conveyed in the work.

The safest course is always to get permission from the copyright owner before using copyrighted material. The Copyright Office cannot give this permission.

When it is impracticable to obtain permission, use of copyrighted material should be avoided unless the doctrine of “fair use” would clearly apply to the situation. The Copyright Office can neither determine if a certain use may be considered “fair” nor advise on possible copyright violations. If there is any doubt, it is advisable to consult an attorney.

FL-102, Revised December 2005 --

65px "That's just, like, your opinion, man."

Mike Nobody ¿ =/\= 00:05, 10 January 2006 (UTC)



Mike, i am not the one to ask about fair use rules. i am no expert in the matter, and when i've asked people's opinions, opinions vary across the board - which i am sure you've found out. in the discussion above entitled Fair use outside of article it was explained to me that images on user pages are not protected by fair use, because they are being used for personal use. "essentially fair use is out for user pages" is what i was told. aparently, "a link to an image ([:Image:…]), as opposed to an inline image, would not violate copyright."
i currently have dozens of images on my user page, but i am not going argue to keep images on my user page. if i am told to remove them, i will. in the end, user pages are not why i am here. i am here to work on an encyclopedia. hope this helps, Kingturtle 02:59, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit war

I'm having some trouble with an anon user at the USC Trojans football article; despite my numerous attempts, they have refused to work the dispute out at the talk pages either here or here (I'm guessing it's the same user, but since the complaints are always from anon accounts, and they don't sign their Talk posts, it's just a guess). I've proposed a couple of compromises there which I think present a balanced view, but they always revise the article text after simply dismissing my views. Any chance you could take a look and weigh in (particularly on my most recent suggested version)? MisfitToys 01:55, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

i will look into it shortly. Kingturtle 03:06, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I hate to break it to you, but i couldn't really care less about that article. that was really cool, though, how you told me. thanks anyways. --daunrealist 22:03, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arbcom candidate userbox

Greetings. I've made a new userbox for arbcom candidates to show on their userpages so that visiters will know they're running.

{{User arbcom nom}}

If you'd like to place it on your userpage, feel free. Regards, – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 02:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hello, thank you for your welcome message. I've found an error in the Friedrich Wilhelm Freiherr von Bülow page: it said it was the teacher of Louis Ferdinand of Prussia, a German prince, but the link to the latter brought to an omonymous born 200 years after Bülow's death, so I've created the page for the right person (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Ferdinand_of_Prussia) and I hope I got all the existing links right.

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