Talk:King levitation
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cool. :-) needs to be cleaned up a little, though. - Omegatron 17:29, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)
Isn't this just advertising?
this still needs cleaning up
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[edit] This is copyrighted
This is a copyrighted effect and should be removed (comment made by User:Ilovemagic)
- Copyright does not cover magician tricks. Not to mention that the copyvio of the page you are refering to, is a DVD. There is NO violation of copyright in this case. Wikipedia does NOT have a copy of the DVD posted, it has just the description of how the trick is done. Which does NOT pose any copyright infidgement at all. Project2501a 09:25, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Whether it is legally right, does not affect how morally and ethically wrong this is. Wikipedia should be about making the world a better place, and hurting creators of the very magic effects you are exposing does not help ANYONE, especially the art of magic.
This is a marketed commercial effect which shouldn't be exposed in this manner. Exposure doesn't belong here. You are causing harm to certain entertainers and their ability to make a living. Certain of the exposures here are infringing on commercial products.
I agree with the above(Rickyrab). When that one magician came out and did the TV shows about how many of the magic tricks and illusions were performed, he caught much slack and (supposedly) received many threats from magicians. He said he did this to push magicians to come up with new things and ideas that were unique to the audience. I believe it did have an impact on the magic community to do just that.
That is a load of nonsense. You are exposing for the sake of exposing.
- Not exactly the strongest argument in the world, folks. Where would encyclopediae be today, or journalism, or universities, if it were not for the exposition of the secrets of the world? — Rickyrab | Talk 1 July 2005 17:15 (UTC)
This is not the same as teaching about things, this is akin to giving away the TRADE SECRET formula of a big company.
This effect is private Intellectual Property that is currently for sale, and should not be given away for free.
This page should contain a link to where you can purchase this PRODUCT online.
Plain and simple: Cat's out of the bag. wikipedia is not hosting a copy of the dvd. Non-disclosure agreements (trade secrets) are not part of copyright law. Wikipedia does not endorce commersial links. end of story. Keep this up and you'll get all your ips banned. thanks for editing, have a nice day. Project2501a 2 July 2005 12:14 (UTC)
I agree. Trade secrets are not afforded legal protection, and patents are not secret, so if a trade secret gets out, too bad. Wikipedia also has no obligation to post a commercial link to any related products. I am an outsider to this discussion coming from the RfC page. - Gauge 03:38, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Erroneous claims about copyright
Copyright a magic trick? I think what you meant to say was "Patent right". Copyright protects published works - literary, scientific, and anything tangible, from being uncontrollably reproduced. When you wish to protect a technique for your own personal use, so you can feed your family and pay the rent, you must file a _patent_ with the US. patent office. A patent restricts the usage of an invention (i.e. a unique, unprecedented idea) to one person.
There is a problem inherent with patenting magic tricks since you must publicize the information and make it freely accessible (35 U.S.C. Sect 10) Unless it's a national security issue (sect 181)-- and the patent must eventually expire in 14 or 20 years (sects 173, 156 - I think...). Second: since secrecy is essential to magic, the origins of any Magic tricks are hard to discover - making claims of inventor-ship difficult. Magic tricks often fall under the _novelty_ clause (35 U.S.C. Sect 102) of patent law which denies patents to inventions which were "known or used by others in this country." Trade secrets that are shared and used among an entire industry make it ineligible for protection under the law. Ultimately, the only protection you have against blabbermouths is via unofficial means (oaths of secrecy, appeals to ethics and morality, mafia retaliations etc.). You cannot claim any legal protection.
Refer to U.S.C. consolidated laws here CONSOLIDATED PATENT LAWS - United States Code Title 35 - Patents. It's a very readable explanation of patent law. Also Wikipedia patent article is pretty clean explanation. P.S. I'm not a lawyer. And, I can't speak about a magic trick has been patented out side of the US. If anybody knows - I'd be interested in how that works. And - there just might be magic tricks that ARE patented (note the article's incorrect use of the word "copyright"). If anyone knows any please also let me know. Finally for the guy who claims this is patented: this trick may very well be patented: please cite the pat. number for me - I'm interested. Seriously, not being facetious
Let me say this again. With force and clarity for those who missed it. A patent protects others from using your invention. It does not keep it secret. Indeed, when you patent a magic trick, you must publicize the mechanics of how it works. The word "patent" comes from the Latin "patens," past participle of "patere" which means "to be open". That is, you must "lay open" your invention. A visit to the U.S. Patent office shows how this works The patent for the Ipod user interface--Muchosucko 3 July 2005 10:28 (UTC)
[edit] Request for comment
Please take a look at Talk:Out of This World (card trick)#Request for comment. Bovlb 2005-07-04 18:20:53 (UTC)
- To expand on Bovlb's remark above, these arguments have already been presented with great length and detail at the linked page. If I may be so bold, I might suggest that those who feel that that discussion missed somthing...add it there, just so we can have the whole thing in one place. It will save a great deal of unnecessary duplication of effort. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 03:52, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] There is a bit of a problem .
There is a problem with the secret. The secret provided is for a completely different levitaion. I kept trying to put in the proper secret but someone kept reverting it.
- That was I. Please tell me why the old one doesn't work and why your's is better. You have only three edits to your credit on a heavily vandalized article.[1] I think the burden is on you.--Muchosucko 09:05, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Merging with the original
King Rising has no historical value, as it is just another small variation on the Balducci levitation, so I've removed the text here, and filed it under "Known variations" on the Balducci page. See Talk page over there before reverting anything --TStone 15:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
how does he do it?
- King Rising was not created as a variation on the Balducci; it was created as unique levitation. Zero Gravity is a "small variation;" it uses the exact same body movements as the Balducci, but a gimmick is used to improve the appearance of the levitation. King Rising on the other hand is considerably different from the Balducci levitation. The angles of this illusion are different, the position of the body is different, & the principle that makes the illusion deceptive is different (it uses the same principle as the Sooperman levitation). King Rising is a levitation based on several existing levitation methods. Though it is related to the Balducci, it is only because they are both impromptu levitation illusions, not because they are the same illusion.Verdad 03:49, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Copyright Material
The king rising levitation is copyrighted material. I believe it should be removed. -You cannot copyright a magic trick.
[edit] Morality?
I know there's nothing illegal about posting the secret, but does that really mean it should be done? To me it doesn't seem any more moral than "file sharing." In both cases, someone has invented or produced something and markets it, but then it is simply distributed freely over the internet. Can someone please explain to me why this is moral, and also why the spoiler belongs in an encyclopedia? I just don't think it belongs here.
[edit] Encyclopedias provide facts
...and shouldn`t be subject to censoring due to wimsy and wonder. If you don`t want to learn something, then don`t read it; you have no right to say it can`t go on the wiki because you don`t want people to know it or you don`t want to know it yourself.
..... -Although you cannot copyright a magic trick, and although I believe in freedom of information, logically, revealing magical secrets does more harm overall than good. Wiki should have useful, helpful information. If you think about it logically, the more people that know how magic tricks work, the less excitement in the world. I believe this should be removed. -heyhiho
[edit] You have to pay for this trick.
You can't just expose a trick like that. [2] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Poggymoose (talk • contribs) .
- Magic tricks cannot be copyrighted, therefore there is no legal reason why this cannot be described here. Gwernol 23:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
