Template talk:Kiev

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Proposed change, in line with oblast templates. Let me know what you think. --tufkaa 21:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

	Subdivisions of Kiev, Ukraine
	Formal raions: Darnytsky Raion | Desniansky Raion | Dniprovsky Raion | Holosiyivsky Raion | Obolonsky Raion | Pechersky Raion | Podilsky Raion | Shevchenkivsky Raion | Solomyanka Raion | Svyatoshynsky Raion
	Historic neighbourhoods:
	Right Bank:	Akademmistechko | Borshchahivka | Chokolivka | Holosiiv | Koncha-Zaspa | Korchuvate | Kurenivka | Lukyanivka | Lypky | Minskyi masyv | Nyvky | Obolon | Pankivschyna | Pechersk | Petrivka | Podil | Puscha-Vodytsia | Shulyavka | Solomyanka | Sovky | Svyatoshyn | Syrets | Tatarka | Telychka | Teremky | Vidradnyi | Vydubychi | Vynohradar | Yevbaz | Zhulyany | Zvirynets
	Left Bank:	Bereznyaky | Bykivnya | Darnytsia | Kharkivskyi masyv | Lisovyi masyv | Livoberezhnyi masyv | Osokorky | Poznyaky | Rusanivka | Trojeshchyna | Voskresenka

To tell you the truth I like it the way it is, with the map. But as we are standardizing the templates for the Oblast and raion articles, I say lets go ahead with the change:) For the new design to the template, I liked your previous version of the template at your sandbox:

	Subdivisions of Kiev, Ukraine
	Formal raions: Darnytsky Raion | Desniansky Raion | Dniprovsky Raion | Holosiyivsky Raion | Obolonsky Raion | Pechersky Raion | Podilsky Raion | Shevchenkivsky Raion | Solomyanka Raion | Svyatoshynsky Raion
	Historical neighbourhoods of the Right Bank: Akademmistechko | Borshchahivka | Chokolivka | Holosiiv | Koncha-Zaspa | Korchuvate | Kurenivka | Lukyanivka | Lypky | Minskyi masyv | Nyvky | Obolon | Pankivschyna | Pechersk | Petrivka | Podil | Puscha-Vodytsia | Shulyavka | Solomyanka | Sovky | Svyatoshyn | Syrets | Tatarka | Telychka | Teremky | Vidradnyi | Vydubychi | Vynohradar | Yevbaz | Zhulyany | Zvirynets
	Historical neighbourhoods of the Left Bank: Bereznyaky | Bykivnya | Darnytsia | Kharkivskyi masyv | Lisovyi masyv | Livoberezhnyi masyv | Osokorky | Poznyaky | Rusanivka | Trojeshchyna | Voskresenka

—dima/// 21:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I liked the old one as well, but we should probably keep maps out of Templates (even though that is a really good map). They are too small to read and the template links back to Subdivisions of Kiev anyway. If you prefer the Sandbox version, then let's use that. I'll let others comment for the rest of the day before changing anything.

I noticed that Sevastopol also needs one. Should we follow this format? I notice that the Sevastopol municipality includes a few towns. Also, does it belong in Template:Subdivisions of Crimea?--tufkaa 21:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thats fine with me... I do think that we should apply this format to Sevastopol, and remove the towns under the Sevastopol city administration from Template:Subdivisions of Crimea, but I dont know for sure...I say, lets wait for others to comment on this issue. —dima/// 22:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Trying to improve. I agree with Dima that the current template with a map is satisfactory as well. Is there any possibility to keep the map? MapLover 23:03, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

	Subdivisions of Kiev, Ukraine
	Raions:	Darnytsky Raion | Desna Raion | Dnipro Raion | Holosiiv Raion | Obolon Raion | Pechersk Raion | Podil Raion | Shevchenko Raion | Solomyanka Raion | Svyatoshyn Raion
	Right Bank Neighbourhoods:	Akademmistechko | Borshchahivka | Chokolivka | Holosiiv | Koncha-Zaspa | Korchuvate | Kurenivka | Lukyanivka | Lypky | Minskyi masyv | Nyvky | Obolon | Pankivschyna | Pechersk | Petrivka | Podil | Puscha-Vodytsia | Shulyavka | Solomyanka | Sovky | Svyatoshyn | Syrets | Tatarka | Telychka | Teremky | Vidradnyi | Vydubychi | Vynohradar | Yevbaz | Zhulyany | Zvirynets
	Left Bank Neighbourhoods:	Bereznyaky | Bykivnya | Darnytsia | Kharkivskyi masyv | Lisovyi masyv | Livoberezhnyi masyv | Osokorky | Poznyaky | Rusanivka | Trojeshchyna | Voskresenka

After playing with the format for a while, I agree with Dima about using the second version on this page. Something about centering the headers works better for this template. As for the map, I agree that it's a great map, but just like we're limiting the number of maps in the Oblast Infoboxes, I think we should keep the map in the body of the Subdivsions of Kiev article. It would actually serve better as part of an Infobox (say, Template:Infobox Kiev Subdivision?) which we could include in each article listed in this template.--tufkaa 00:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes of course! I created this template as for easier navigation and was going to create the infobox for each raion and neighbourhood. But what would be nice for the infobox template is a map with the raion highlighted (what we dont have now...). I was also thinking something along the lines of Template:Infobox Warsaw..but of course we can always find better ones...—dima/// 00:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Templates should not be too large. This is the reason we are using font=90% in templates, and this is the reason I prefer the third template over the second one. MapLover 01:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't really mind which one it is, the second one or the third...—dima/// 02:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I edited MapLover's version and went live with it. Check out Template:Sevastopol for a possible template for Sevastopol.--tufkaa 14:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New additions

Should we add Hidropark and Trukhanov Ostrov to this template? They are after all historical neighbourhoods. —dima ^/sb.tk/ 23:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Haha. Great, now we have Left Bank, Right Bank, and Islands. Sounds good to me!--tufkaa 14:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I will add them right now. BTW, should we add them into a new section: Islands? —dima ^/sb.tk/ 17:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Probably, because the other sections refer to the banks.--tufkaa 21:38, 4 August 2006 (UTC)