User talk:Khorshid

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Welcome!

Hello, Khorshid, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  —Khoikhoi 03:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Removing warnings

Khorshid, I'm simply pointing out policy to you to help you break in here. This isn't harassment, it's simply standard Wiki procedure. You insulted myself (by saying "this Lukas person and his comments. I am made sick" [1]) and Mehrdadd (by saying "his dark heart ... [he] does not deserve such a noble name" [2]). I'm not even demanding an apology or anything, I just want to make sure you understand why this is unacceptable on this site, so that we won't have this kind of trouble in the future. Because if you go on like this, yes, you will end up blocked. Lukas (T.|@) 12:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, it is true, both that you attacked us, and that you need to understand the policy. Give me a sign that you understand this and I won't insist on leaving the warning up here. But let me also warn you that the Three-revert rule applies also to your talk page. If you remove this again you can be blocked simply for editwarring. If you think this is harassment, feel free to report me wherever you like. Lukas (T.|@) 12:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
as Lukas says, you are not being harassed, you are politely asked to follow Wikipedia:Policy. If you follow policy and remain polite, and you will be fine. If you do not, you will be blocked from editing, at first for short periods, and for longer periods if you persist. These rules are for everybody. dab (ᛏ) 12:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
You clearly support his harassment of me. I find this disgusting and sick. Khorshid 12:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Khoshid: I have been in your position before. It is best just to let it lie. Dbachmann is one of the longest serving members of Wikipedia and is not involved in the issues related to Iranian articles. So, please do not attack him. If you continually call people racist or any other perjorative, you will probably get blocked by an admin. Lukas is not an admin and does not have the power to do this, he is just reminding you of policy. If he wanted you blocked, he could have lodged a complaint by now, so don't take it too hard. If you want this warning off your talk page, you can always archive it later say under an archive for the month of May, which finishes tomorrow.--الأهواز 12:39, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

This [3] is also not going to encourage a sympathetic response and if you were not a new user, you would probably be blocked by now. No-one is threatening you and neither Lukas nor I have the power to block you from editing, but you should be reminded of policy.--الأهواز 12:49, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Korshid, I think you should take the advice given to you by several other editors to your heart. Be polite, and don't go around calling other people names or accusing them of "racism". If you have reasons to complain, back up your claims with precise diffs. (You said you were an experienced editor, so I assume you know what a diff is.) Do not engage in personal attacks; it's not tolerated here as per our policy against personal attacks. All the best, Lupo 15:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I want to bring something to your Attention

This was written[4] and this was the response [5].

Here is the translation: How are you. To soon to give a complicated comment. These protests have been forming a long time coming and they are ripening, this wan not and necessary the only occasion, so that it would splash out to the streets. The basic problem is the fact that they [Iran?/Persians? I don't know who, but he says they] reject tp the Azaris the right to thei national identity, the right to the development of their own language and distinct culture. You can see even here, in the consideration of articles, Iranian Azarbaijan and Azarbaijanians. Some Iranian participants insist on saying Azaris are an Iranian ethnicity, although it is widely-known that Azaris are Turkic. This is what is being represented or occuring in Iran itself. Conflict apparently on this basis, people [Azaris] require the protection of their cultural rights.

These is only the tip of the ice berg.

Look at the Azari related pages and keep an eye on them please. 72.57.230.179

[edit] When are we Going to See Proof that Azaris are Genetically Turkic

Please keep an eye on Azari and the talk:Azari. I have started the following in the discussion.

It has been ages since these citations have not been verified. Verification is needed. If not delete the material. the amount of time granted has been generious. The Azaris Iranian background has been verified through various scientific and academic sources, but the Turkic claim has not. The only think that has been verified is the Turkic langauge. 72.57.230.179

[edit] Edit-warring

Please do not edit war on Wikipedia. If you have problems regarding articles, then you are welcome to discuss them on the talk pages. In the meanwhile, keep in mind the 3RR policy on Wikipedia. Regards, --Nearly Headless Nick 10:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

salam. khoobi? Agha emailet chiyeh? mer30.--Zereshk 03:43, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Watch the Azari page, please. Azari; get involved with the discussion and article. Read the history or related links and you will see the covert actions to deny Azaris, like myself, of our Iranian heritage by a small but vocal and militant minority with anti-Iranian attitudes, mostly from Turkey who pretend to talk for Azaris as Azaris. 72.57.230.179

[edit] Mohammad Reza Pahlavi

I explicity asked to discuss before editing the Mohammad Reza Pahlavi page, especially the whole opening paragraph. If you have a problem, please TALK about it first, so that we may understand why you want to revert the changes, and that way we can find a common ground, rather than having an edit war. ♠ SG →Talk 20:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I have responded to you on the Mohammad Reza Pahlavi talk page. Please take the time to answer me; I will not revert your changes yet, because I want to avoid an edit war. ♠ SG →Talk 15:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey can you have a look at the talk page for this article, SG claims that you two have "voted" against including the meaning of his styles. Ba sepaas --K a s h Talk | email 08:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islamic Conquest of Iran

Much of the Islamic Conquest, perhaps almost all of it, was written by Zora. She is the one that put that statement in. man zooram behesh nareseed.--Zereshk 15:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reminder

Salam Khorshid, I saw some of your comments at Talk:Iranian languages—just remember to keep cool, and remain civil. Thanks. —Khoikhoi 22:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, can you explain to me briefly what the main problems with the map are? ممنون. —Khoikhoi 23:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, I believe the man is a linguist so we should probably trust him more. However, have you seen this map? Perhaps you could ask him to base it more off of that. BTW, "academic" is not a good description for the CIA World Factbook. Academic is, for example, a published book by a professor. Anyways, are there any more disputes about the map besides Khuzestan? —Khoikhoi 18:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Khorshid, look at his work on the Balochi language article—does that look like the job of an amateur to you? I understand your point, but do you have any other sources besides government ones? How about this map? It's dated 2004. In the case of WP:V, I think academic sources would be better than sources like the CIA World Factbook. Just a word of advice. —Khoikhoi 00:23, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] zelzeleh

I'd say you can include such material on articles that make erroneous claims about Persians being rich and high and mighty and safe and wealthy (supposedly), while the minorities (supposedly) "suffer" from "Persian oppression". Especially if it is sourced. An example of such an article (which I have cleaned up twice) is Anti-Arabism. One example I kept using was that in fact the majority of people in Evin Prison are Persians (Akbar Ganji (who was just released), Hashem Aghajari, etc).--Zereshk 23:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MEK edit

Please could you supply a reference for your assertion about ethnic minorities and MEK and refer to WP:V AndrewRT 01:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks AndrewRT 01:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PJAK

هی ! رفیق

Just because he added the tags doesn't mean it's going to happen. It's just a proposal. Anyways, I will help, what exactly do you what me to say? I guess what you should do is show references or sources that say that the PJAK is not a political wing of the PKK. BTW, please don't call people "anti-Kurds" - "comment on content, not the contributor". Remember to assume good faith. I'll leave a message at Talk:PJAK. —Khoikhoi 02:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

That's really good information! You should say that at Talk:PJAK as well. Simply outline your points and explain why you don't think the articles should be merged. I did find some sources on the internet that said "PJAK is an Iranian wing of the PKK", however. Anyways, I need to go now. Ciao. —Khoikhoi 05:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Heh, I see what you're saying. :p There's also a discussion at the bottom of Talk:PKK. —Khoikhoi 20:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Khorshid. Behemoth is actually my friend. He's saying that your source says that the PKK is a Maoist organization, not the PJAK. Anyways, I know I may sound like a broken record for when I was talking to you about Imperial, but Behemoth is a very knowledgeable (and interesting!) man. If you ask him for sources I'm sure he'd be able to show you. Just remember to keep a cool head. —Khoikhoi 20:23, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thanks

thanks for the comments. payandeh baashid.

[edit] Jews of Iran

I wholeheartedly agree. Pecher is using that article as a political platform. Something needs to be done. For now, I'm swamped with duties at my full time job. But I do respond to confrontations if I have to.--Zereshk 23:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Keep up the good work...

Salam, everywhere i go to make an edit or read an article about Iran I always see your name there. And all of your works are top notch. So keep up the good work khorshid! --(Aytakin) | Talk 00:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why pushing POV? Mossadegh received a very mild sentence....

As i phrased it, it applies very well, I'd presume! The sentence of merely 3 years incarceration was very mild compared to the MANDATORY DEATH SENTENCE BY LAW of the day for treason! As it does not really matter to me though, i shall leave your (clearly POV pushing) "edit" unaltered, however. --Pantherarosa 23:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hello, I removed the tag because, the article is very well sourced and Please let's don't turn the article into personal war between ourselves and don't add unreasonable tags, also see talk of Kurdish people, and see here, http://ancientneareast.tripod.com/Kurdistan.html# and read the source about genetics totally it discuss the origin of the Kurdfs in details. Many people wish the Kurdish people article be totally deleted, and they welcome any edit war. let's not allow them by small debates. Thanks.

[edit] Misconceptions about Iran

Hi!

If you want to save this article, you should improved it. It's clear that it's not a good article and if I had enough time I whould do it myself.But as I told Zereshk before it should improved. This is my opinion:[6] and [7]

Good buy.--Sa.vakilian 11:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Khorshid, I can see that the article is already deleted! Some people seem to be in such a rush! By the way, with your permission I added the article to my user page and am going to put it on my website if you don’t mind, is that ok? I am going to put other good articles that have been deleted from Wiki on my website and make them available to people by mentioning the source and why there were deleted and let people decide themselves (I don’t think Wiki can claim ownership of the articles that have been deleted!), do you know of other good articles that have been deleted? Have you taken a copy on your hard-disk? Kiumars 12:53, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Can you send me an email alidoostzadeh@yahoo.com , I had a question on some articles. --alidoostzadeh 11:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kurdish people

Hey...how have you been? Have you explained what your issues are with the article on the talk page? Perhaps you could try contacting Hêja directly, as he/she wrote a great deal of it. Wirya doesn't appear to be active anymore. Remember to state your specifc problems, and hopefully they can be addressed. Ciao. —Khoikhoi 02:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmm, interesting. One place you could go is requests for mediation. That's where many people go to resolve disputes. As for Tombseye, I have no idea. I guess I should email him, but he's probably busy in real life.
No, I'm not an admin. :) About what you said, we actually do have a similar policy, it's called, "Wikipedia is not a soapbox":
Propaganda or advocacy of any kind. Of course, an article can report objectively about such things, as long as an attempt is made to approach a neutral point of view. You might wish to go to Usenet or start a blog if you want to convince people of the merits of your favorite views. You can also use Wikinfo which promotes a "sympathetic point of view" for every article. Wikipedia was not made for opinion, it was made for fact.
I like think the "...or go to hell" part should be added-on, of course. :) —Khoikhoi 05:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hello. Tell me about the Kurds' status in Iran. I'm interested. Are you Shiite? Jaber90 23:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Chobanids

I noticed that you moved the Chobanids page to Chupanids, but the Chupanids page doesn't exist. Is there any way that you can fix this?

Ro4444 09:28, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah, cool, it's all better now. Thanks for the getting that fixed and for the timely response!

Ro4444 09:51, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reconciliation

Hi, I'd just like to ask you a friendly question. This is no longer about the article, this is more open-ended. You have stated that Oberg writing about Ramadan and how it is calculated astronomically is, in your words, treating Muslims as all the same. I would like to know, really, what ideas that you have for Westerners to increase their knowledge and understanding of Islam. For me personally, I am sure that I know more about Islam and have met more Muslims than 9 out of 10 Americans. (I have had Muslim co-workers and co-volunteers, and I have even participated in non-denominational prayer with Muslims. I have discussed the role of Isa/Jesus in Islam.) At the same time I know that I barely know 1% of what Islam is all about. So, because I certainly don't enjoy getting someone's hackles up over a minor issue because of a perceived lack of understanding, what are your suggestions of what I can do personally to learn more? What are your suggestions of what empathetic Americans can do to expand understanding of Islam? More to the point, how can empathetic Wikipedians work toward greater mutual understanding? The current situation, I'm sure you will agree, is not good. --Dhartung | Talk 08:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Persian Jews

Salam.

I saw your name in Talk:Persian Jews. I think you'd like make that article more NPOV. So you can use this article Iran's proud but discreet Jews.--Sa.vakilian 13:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MfD Result

Hi,

The MfD on your "Misconceptions" userpage has closed as keep. Best wishes, Xoloz 16:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proove

You wrongly accuse me of sockpuppetry [8]. Instead of making these assumptions of bad faith, you should have requested an IP check.--88.110.190.21 18:04, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ahwaz! Khorshid 18:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Late reply

Hey Khorshid, do you want me to protect these pages? As for the anon, it doesn't matter if he's Ahwaz or not, because Ahwaz is not banned. Regards, Khoikhoi 18:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] هشدار درباره کاربر خُی

دراین باره باید گفت یکی از فعالان ضد ایران و ایرانی گری است که پیشینه او در مورد های زیر گواه موضوع است. او یکی از افراط گرایان ناسیونالیسم گرجی است که پس از شکل گیری ویکی پروژه استیایی به خیال خود با تحریک پان عربیسم و پان ترکیسم قصد تجزیه ایران را دارد:

User:Khoikhoi

به تاریخچه فعالیت های کاربر بالا در این صفحات دقت کنید↓

[9] [10]

اعتراف کاربر بالا به چونین سوئ نیتی↓

[11]

راه چاره مقابله به مثل با عضویت در ویکی پروژه استیایی است.

استیاییان مردمانی ایرانی تبارند که امروزه منطقه سکونتشان در قفقاز میان روسیه و گرجستان تقسیم شده است و در روسیه خودمختار ولی در گرجستان در تلاش برای خودمختاری اند که از جانب روسیه پشتیبانی می شوند.

zandweb 15:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Hi

Please see uncyclopedia and its articles on Iran and Iranians. Full of insults instead of humors! Fooladin 21:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LGBT rights in Iran

Hi, I've left a comment on the talk page. Cheers, Khoikhoi 03:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from editing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Leave me alone User:LukasPietsch and stop wikistalking me. I know the WP rules. *sigh* Khorshid 07:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sock notes

Howdy! You appear to be creating sock puppet articles that are missing the User: prefix. They do no, of course, belong in main space. Just a friendly heads up. Regards, CHAIRBOY (☎) 04:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thank you very much. I can't believe I missed that part. Khorshid 04:12, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
No worries, thanks! - CHAIRBOY (☎) 04:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Khorshid, why don't you try WP:RFCU? Khoikhoi 05:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thanks for your comment

Dorud bar shoma
Thanks for telling me about the problem of my sing. I fixed it.
Khoda negahdar. --Soroush ☺talk | ☼Contributions 17:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E104421' edits

It looks like E104421's edits you indicated are good faith referenced edits. Please avoid labeling good faith edits you disagree with as vandalism. It is a personal attack. If you want, I can protect the articles so you could discuss the edits on the talk page rather than edit war.

I have unprotected the template you requested. Alex Bakharev 23:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)



[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Turkish History Brief

Template:Turkish History Brief has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Khosrow II 23:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Kurds}}

I'm not sure...why don't you add a {{POV}} tag to it? Khoikhoi 23:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't know the answer to that either. Why don't you try asking at the village pump? Khoikhoi 10:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Olive branch

Khorshid: I just want to make myself clear to you. I am quite happy to work constructively with you on articles. Conflicts occur when people unilaterally suppress others' edits, stack up 3RRs with other editors, dismiss their opponents as racist and manipulate admins. This is what infuriates me and why I can be defiant. If we can agree to work civilly and criticise each other on content, then I think we can go a long way to resolving the issues relating to Khuzestan-related articles. If this is going to be another Arab-v-Persian-v-Arab edit war, then really there is no hope and we will all waste each others' time. There is an offer to mediate here [12] which I think we should take advantage of. Perhaps this editor can mediate over all Khuzestan-related articles so we can get this sorted out once and for all.

May I also add that I did lobby on your behalf early on when you first joined, which stopped you from being blocked. I sensed that you and I have the same temperament :o)

I am fair to those who disagree with me, so long as they play by the rules. As soon as the rules are not observed, I see no need to abide by them. That is the principle I stand by and why I get into trouble so often!--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 01:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I will tell Baristarim to stop following you around, as long as you stop nominating all of Hêja's articles for deletion - it's starting to become disruptive. Khoikhoi 03:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Calm down baba, I was just saying that you're nominating too many. I will ask them to stop now. Khoikhoi 03:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Eveyone has his or her own bias, it was a figure of speech. I alerady warned Baristarim about following you around, he won't do it again. Khoikhoi 04:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
wrong, he kept doing it even after you warned him. look at his contribs and the times. Khorshid 01:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Are you sure? He seems to have stopped after his comment to Khosrow on the ArbCom page... Khoikhoi 05:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

I am not trying to make you uncomfortable, but I wasn't able to understand why you nominated so many pages one after another. In any case, I regularly look at AfDs, so there was a good chance that I would have run into it one way or the other. cheers! Baristarim 03:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

No, not at all, I have been checking into E104421's case since much before you joined into the debate there, if you look into that section, you will see that my comments there date back before your involvement. I just checked it again to see if there was something new about him. Believe me, there is no conspiracy theory here, I was not stalking u into an incident that was reported to admin noticeboard. :))) But I am also taking a chill pill, so don't worry.. Cheers! Baristarim 04:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Wrong, you made accusations and you continued attacking me. I see that khoikhoi did nothing about it. so everyone here on wp is okay with you attacking me. go ahead and keep attacking me until you get tired of it and we see if it makes you feel better about yourself being a bully ganging up on me with your friends. the evidence is in your contribs so you cant hide it. anyone with a mind can see. Khorshid 01:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry that you feel that way.. I have been checking into E's case since the beginning, it had nothing to do with anybody else. Please have a look at my contribution log, I have nothing to hide.. This sucks because I am beginning to wonder what I can do to convince you that I have no personal neither particular issue with you.. But I also have a right to comment on content in the areas of my interest, there is not much I can do if our interests intersect sometimes :)) In any case, have a good day.. Cheers! Baristarim 07:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Politics of Khuzestan

The article Ethnic Politics of Khuzestan has now been changed to Politics of Khuzestan. I have moved some relevant content to Arabs of Khuzestan and Ahvaz Bombings (although this may need a change of name as bombings have occurred throughout Khuzestan). I have drastically cut down on some content related to human rights and introduced a sections on politicians, elections and foreign influence. There is more work to do, however. I am trying to find the detailed results of the Khuzestan Majlis elections of 2000 and 2004 and the results of the second round of the 2005 Presidential election. Do you have any idea where I can find these? My Farsi is not so great, so I'd appreciate help.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 18:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that you say "the great majority of Iranian Arabs, are descendants of the Aryans or the non-semitic indigenous peoples living on the Iranian plateau before the Aryans arrived" on User:Khorshid/Misconceptions. I would be interested to know if you have any sources to support this, as it is an issue that has generated considerable heated debate on the Arabs of Khuzestan article.--الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 00:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

I'd like to offer myself as a neutral party on the Arabs of Khuzestan or Politics of Khuezestan article. Ahwaz just told me his side, i'd like to hear yours as well and see if we can rectify any disputes and gain a consensus version. Yankee Rajput 01:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I opened up old wounds, that wasn't my intention. If anything, it's the opposite. I'll take a look at the links, thank you for talking to me. Yankee Rajput 15:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] your message in my talk page

What??Do you know what you are talking about? I dont send you any threating mails...You are a big liar, you insert "Zaparojdik's IP" to every suckpuppet users but you fails. STOP LIENG TO ME!! Zaparojdik 10:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

This is called as Schizophrenia that your psychological problem in medicine, I hope you will be fine soon :) Zaparojdik (talk • contribs) 14:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
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