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Contents 1 Requested move 1.1 Survey 1.2 Discussion 2 Very peculiar non-sequitur 3 NOTE: Snopes Site is a Spoof 4 Why change name 5 Zbikowski Trivia 6 The "First" KFC 7 Dishes and side-dishes 8 KFC name change 9 KKK Comment 10 Southpark 11 Laxatives? 12 MSG included among the spices possibly in their food? 13 Vandalism 14 KFC in china? 15 Logo 16 MSG, NPOV, etc. 17 KFC in Vietnam 18 Controversy - Melbourne youths 19 KFC & Pizza? 20 Strange Wording in "Barnyard" Reference 21 Pressure cooker 22 Disputed recipes 23 Recipes section 24 Space 25 Logo in the infobox 26 PFK in Quebec 27 Redirecting

[edit] Very peculiar non-sequitur

" The company claims that suppliers of the seasonings each provide only parts of the recipe, and do not know each other's identity. (This is undoubtedly true, since the company that makes the tomato soup mix and the company that makes the Italian salad dressing mix are unrelated to each other.) "

That's a huge non-sequitur; the suppliers of the seasonings could know each other regardless of whether or not the salad dressing company is related to the tomato soup company. 194.72.81.2 19:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NOTE: Snopes Site is a Spoof

The Urban Legends Reference (http://snopes.com) is generally a reliable source, often cited on Wikipedia. However, in a series of pages, known as The Repository of Lost Legends (TROLL), the Snopes site spoofs itself. Among those pages is this one about KFC. The acronym TROLL is a clue that the pages in that particular section, including the KFC page, are not to be taken seriously. Please read their explanation before altering this article. In particular, note that Kentucky Fried Chicken did not change its name because Kentucky decided to trademark its name. --Tom Allen

Thanks for the explanation. I did think the story had been discredited, but couldn't easily find a rebuttal, and in general, I don't allow anons to remove material without an explanation.-gadfium 03:46, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh! Well, I didn't mean you in particular! This particular Snopes page has caused considerable confusion, as the comments below indicate. I do agree that this article should include the link that you added to the Snopes page, along with the explanation. And I also agree that any edits by anons deserve close attention. --Tom Allen 01:08, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why change name

Can someone say why they changed their name from Kentucky Fried Chicken to KFC. --203.220.170.134 07:42, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Here are two links for name change. Not sure. [1]

[2] Ht1848 04:10, 2004 Aug 18 (UT

The name change did NOT have to do with Kentucky trademarking its name. The Snopes article is a spoof contained within the site. See this link and also the Wikipedia article Snopes for more details. --Tom Allen 05:48, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Zbikowski Trivia

Why? You might as well add that I ate there last week in honor of Bob Hope. Not worthy of keeping. 63.84.231.3 17:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The "First" KFC

That store in Utah must be the first franchised KFC. The truly first one was the one owned and operated by Harlan Sanders himself in Corbin, Kentucky. He developed the recipe and the cooking process (pressure frying) there, and owned a couple of other places in adjacent states. (His early establishments were a combination of restaurant, gas station, and motel.) When his originial establishment was bypassed by Interstate 65, he decided to franchise the concept. Rlquall 18:11, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I've been going by the plaque outside of that place in Salt Lake City. Probably true that it was the first franchise. Why else would it have been called Kentucky Fried Chicken and not Utah Fried Chicken. Are there more references to the first one in Corbin? BigBen212 20:53, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

KFC got its start at Sander's Cafe in Corbin, Kentucky. Technically, it wasn't a Kentucky Fried Chicken back then. (It had a broader menu than the franchise. The relationship of KFC to Sander's Cafe is sort of like that of Chick-fil-A to Truett Cathy's Dwarf Grill.) I'll try to write a little section on the history and include a photo of Sander's Cafe. (I live in Corbin.) --Tom Allen 00:36, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dishes and side-dishes

What places have hamburgers and chicken nuggets sold at KFC restaurants? I've never seen either where I live. Is it just a regional thing (I live in downstate Illinois), or are they not even sold in the United States? --ɛvɪs 06:08, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

Here in Australia, there's a diverse range of sides featuring Nuggets, Burgers, "Popcorn Chicken", Twisters, Potato and Gravy and the like.

Nuggets are certainly in the ones here (western Middle Tennessee), which at least recently were part of a small franchise called Little Food Systems (reference to the name of a principal, not the company's relative size). At one point, most of the KFC restaurants of my aquaintence in nearby Western Kentucky also featured "Colonel Sanders Beef 'n' Ham", which seemed a lot like Arby's and probably had nothing to do with the Colonel beyond the fact that their franchise agreement gave them the right to attach his name to them. An interesting fact is that the Colonel was once sued by the Bowling Green, Kentucky francisee for slander when he publicly criticized their food; the Colonel used the "truth" defense and the judge found for him; the result was that they were forced to upgrade their quality to a higher standard. Rlquall 02:59, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In australia, they also put ghb on their wicked wings! They stuffed the mixture up and I had brain shocks and dizziness for the next two weeks

[edit] KFC name change

Whoever edited that 50 stores will be named Kentucky Fried Chicken is correct. [3] Mike H 10:35, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, *but* KFC isn't changing its name back to Kentucky Fried Chicken *overall*. — Stevie is the man! ^{Talk | Work} 18:27, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] KKK Comment

can someone comment if Colonel was in the KKK or if this is a myth -

It is an urban legend...and the question belongs on the Col's page not the KFC one!

[edit] Southpark

Anyone catch that southpark episode where the mum brings back "cornol" for the kids to eat and they are all excited? Lol, cartman eats the skin, it's so true ^_^ JayKeaton 08:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Laxatives?

Why is KFC in the laxatives category? Is that trolling or what? Marikun 21:14, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MSG included among the spices possibly in their food?

Should it be mentioned within the food section of the article that MSG is a probable if not definite part of their '11 herbs and spices'?

[edit] Vandalism

Due to recent vandalism, I'm adding this to my watchlist and the WikiProject Louisville watchlist. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 18:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Looks as if it's been vandalized again, anyone know how to revert to the last edit? User:RiverHockey

Go to the "page history", click on the last good version of the page, go into edit, and then save. Be sure to include an edit summary like "rv to last edit by {user}". Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 01:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KFC in china?

Ive noticed that the article said nothing much about the popularity of KFC in China. There seems to be more KFC's there than Mcdonalds in the city of Shanghai when i visited China last year.

Why? This is not only the case with China, but heppens in many East Asian countries ex. Thailand where KFC. have singularly outnumbered most other foreign based fastfood chains, especially McDonald's. In other word, KFC is already the most popular brand--one that have become synonymous with the word "fast food", in place of McDonald's--in many Asian countries. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.24.217.200 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Logo

When I was a kid the KFC logo was just the Colonel's head and tie, which I always found hilarious because it looked like he had a tiny stickman body. Imagine my disappointment when KFC subsequently added his shoulders to the design which ruined the effect. Does anyone know if that is why they had the redesign? Beanhead McGinty 18:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MSG, NPOV, etc.

Wording like "some scientists believe that MSG is harmful" does not belong in an article. Please stick to facts and cite references. If you can find a citation for the assertion that KFC recipes contain an amount of MSG that exceeds legal standards, then it is appropriate to state that.

I also removed the reference to SLAPP in the first paragraph of "Controversy" because the citation was a Greenpeace press release / newsletter. That there was a lawsuit is not disputed. That it was a SLAPP is a matter of opinion. Joseph N Hall 06:41, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I requested a cite for the MSG paragraph in question. Removing it altogether is extreme. Let's give it a chance for somebody to add a reference. My revert of the SLAPP was unintentional. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 06:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I've removed the MSG paragraph again for a variety of reasons. "Some scientists" is weasel-wording. "list of top ten ... to avoid" doesn't even rise to the level of weasel-wording. "Some countries" is weasel-wording. The only claim there that might or might not be factual is that "India" has found that KFC's food exceeds its standards for MSG content. Joseph N Hall 06:54, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Then rewrite it rather than remove it. I'm not allowing its outright removal without providing for time to find a cite. If you want to test me on my resolve, go ahead, but I'm not letting this go. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 06:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing in that paragraph that is substantiated. Reputable reference works aren't created through the process of allowing people to write any damn fool thing they want and leaving it there until someone can prove it wrong. This is precisely the kind of thing that gives Wikipedia a bad name. I'm not interested in testing your resolve. If you want to expend your resolve by defending the inclusion of a single paragraph that has no factual content in an encyclopedia that is read by the entire world, go ahead. It's your name on the edits. Joseph N Hall 07:12, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

It is however customary, as well as polite, to give other users a little time to prove assertions right. That, after all, is exactly what citation markers are for. I tend to allow one week: that seems reasonable in this case.FrFintonStack 00:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KFC in Vietnam

Interestingly, has anyone else noticed the visual similarity between KFC and Ho Chi Minh? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.148.71.183 (talk • contribs). This uncanny likeness was also mentioned in the Lonely Planet guidebook for Vietnam. The Vietnamese government were not amused when someone tried to start a KFC spinoff under the name 'Uncle Ho's Hamburgers'. "Ho Chi Minh was a general, not a colonel!". (Source: Lonely Planet guide for Vietnam, edition 1998)

Are you referring to similarities between KFC and Ho Chi Minh or between Colonel Sanders and Ho Chi Minh. If it's the former I don't particularly get what similarities there are between a company that sells fried chicken and a general. If it's the later, it might help if you're clearer and don't refer to KFC as if it's Colonel Sanders... Nil Einne 06:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy - Melbourne youths

I doubt the accuracy of the "Throughout the city of Melbourne, a strong anti-KFC team of youths went through many KFC stores making large scenes" comment. I've never heard of this occuring and the citation is a single YouTube video which appears to be an isolated prank by one person and the camera operator. If there was a strong team of anti-KFC youths running around, it would probably be reported in the media, but it does not appear to have been. I would suggest the reference be deleted. Rob.au 03:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KFC & Pizza?

I know of one franchise that specifically is a Kentucky Fried Chicken that features Kentucky Fried Chicken & Pizza on the front of the store. It is located in Fords, New Jersey (I think, or South Amboy). Does it warrant mention on this page or should it be left unsaid? 70.111.62.131 04:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Strange Wording in "Barnyard" Reference

I was reading the article and this sentence struck me as pretty strangely worded.

The 2006 animated movie Barnyard has a scene where chickens throw darts at a picture of Colonel Sanders which is the logo of KFC that is on a dart board.

Now I didn't see the movie, but maybe someone who did can fix that? Onstar102 03:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pressure cooker

Some people think that what gives KFC chicken its distinctive taste is that, after being coated, it is cooked in hot oil in a pressure cooker instead of a conventional deep fryer [citation needed].

The above seems a little silly to me. A pressure cooker is not some sort of secret tool that no one has ever used other then KFC. It's something that some households have. And anyone who has ever tasted chicken cooked in a pressure cooker should know it does not inherently taste like KFC. However I guess if it's a noteable claim then we should mention it even if it's exceptionally silly. The fact that someone apparently discredited it on a TV show suggests it must be a noteable claim however we still need a cite for the claim Nil Einne 06:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed recipes

A couple who purchased the Colonel's original home found another handwritten recipe in the basement, and, although it was written by Sanders, it was determined to be nothing like the original.

I seem to remember there was one case, possibly the above where KFC purchased the recipe. If they did so this should be mentioned even if they maintain it was not the secret recipe Nil Einne 06:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recipes section

I'm a little suspicious of the current recipes section. It just links to some recipe and I don't see any reliable sources as to it tasting like what it's supposed to taste like. --WikiSlasher 11:13, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

No objections? I'm just going to be bold and delete it then. --WikiSlasher 06:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Space

Without credible citation and clarification, the part about "seen from space" should be removed. The Great Wall of China can't be seen from space (with the unaided eye). The car in my driveway [i]can[/i], on the other hand, be seen from space, via Google Maps. The sentence in the article as it stands right now is meaningless PR drivel. 198.161.246.2 23:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Not sure if this is a credible source, but http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/17/colonel_sanders_mosaic/ has a story and a picture. Sidasta 15:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Logo in the infobox

Ansett changed the logo in the infobox from Image:KFC2006.jpg, which from what I can tell is the logo used in America, the country that KFC operates from; to Image:KFC.png, which is apparently used in more countries. I think we should continue using Image:KFC2006.jpg in the infobox as this article is about an American company and that's the logo used in America. The other logo should be mentioned later in the article, perhaps in the Countries with KFC section. AOL, another American company that has a different logo for other countries, uses the American logo in the infobox and the other logo is used later in the article. _JD^talk 11:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PFK in Quebec

Just passing through, but I noticed that the article seems puzzled that the chain is PFK in Quebec but still KFC in France.

May I suggest that the reason for that is as simple as Quebec's language laws, which have been enforced rather vigorously and may have forced the chain to use an acronym based on the French name of the chain?

Of course, someone would need to find a source for that. Daniel Case 01:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The law does not require companies to use a French name. For example, Burger King is not 'Le Roi des Hamburgers' (or Hambourgeois...) in Quebec -Adjusting 03:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

True, but the province made Eaton's become Eaton, IIRC. Daniel Case 05:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

According to the wikipedia article on Eaton's, the 's was dropped voluntarily in the 1960s to change its image as an "English" company. The Official Language Act wasn't passed until 1974. -Adjusting 07:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

So, KFC could have done it voluntarily. This seems like an area that could be researched for the article. Daniel Case 17:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's very interesting, but based on how little information I was able to find online about the Eaton's/Eaton name change, I think you might have trouble tracking down anything concrete. -Adjusting 18:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

That's online. There's a wealth of info offline. And has anyone considered asking the company themselves? They might even be able to help find a source we could use. Daniel Case 06:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirecting

Every time I try to go to the KFC page I get redirected to a page about the word Nigger. I think someone vandalized the page.

Yes, I also viewed this. Clearly a case of some racist clown. I'm not proficient at editing wikipedia, can someone change this? Thanks.