Talk:Kenja Communication

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This group has had a strong effect on Australian social welfare. There will be a determined attempt to turn the article into a PR story, and complaints will continue untill that has been achieved. Please refer to the Wikipedia treatment of Scientology where there is acurate information allowed to remain on the site, while the Scientologists PR pages appear as wellLegalist 07:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

there are edits I have drawn attention to which have all been secreted into articles ranging from the annhialation of the Tasmanian Aborigine to European and American court cases involving sexual matters. The editor, Mbarry, has also accessed sites involved with the Kenja Communication Group.

The group's leader faces 22 charges of sexual misconduct with two minors.

Thier defence appears to rely on declaring the charges part of a 'witchhunt'. The group has had an associate member produce a report which they are marketing as 'independent', which claims to examine 'the misuse of allegations of a sexual nature, and the ugly legal ramifications' involved. ( they did the same thing in a previous court case with a published book, 'Our Australian Freedoms are Under Threat', which was supposedly independent, but was also authored by Kenja members). the article is being secreted into wikipedia articles which involve historical injustices by the police, the courts and the media.

this appears to be a subversive move to give credibility to thier 'independent report', and help them build a credible case for being the subject of a 'witchhunt'. Thier strategy seems to be to draw various peoples attention to the articles, and having them draw comparisons with the groups contemporary situation, helping develop thier defence story. By enlarging the issue to make it a great injustice against society they hope to garner support from political quaters, as well as academic support and assistance from the genral community. They seem to present it to followers as proof of a 'conspiracy' to 'get' the group.

it seems to me there is no witch hunt, just two young girls bringing charges before the courts. But that is irrelevant, this seems to be a misuse of the encyclopedia, and introduces biased and slanted information into the site for personal gain.

as this group is a Scientology off shoot, with the leader being a Scientologist of 11 years standing, they should be treated witht the same respect for honesty as shown the Scientologists. ie; they should be allowed to present thier version of events, but it must be viewed with the material and information as published in the Australian Media, Parlimentary documentation and through articles written by leading Academics, which appear to have thier links removed in edits by 'MBarry'. Legalist 03:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

excuse me, is there any reason why i am being called 'subversive' for editing articles? it is not 'my' 'independent' report. i am not trying to be 'credible', only 'reasonable'. where is your proof for the Scientology connection? i do not understand your insistance on this when the two organizations seem to be totally dissimilar.

MBarry 05:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed for lack of sourcing

The group maintains a pyramidic financial structure where money is created as a resource, and then flows through to the leadership via a payments system for commodified spiritual experiences. This model, originally conceived by L Ron Hubbard, after involvement with Jack Parsons, a disciple of Aliester Crowley, has proven successful for the leaders, although not always helpful to the members. It is a model which can be franchised easily, and can be set up in most areas with a large urban population, allowing for new recruitment to counter attrition. In most cases, groups of this nature imply they have an altruistic nature and attempt to gain a tax free status to maximise profit. Whether through gaining a religious status from the government, or posturing as a social or sporting club, they conceal the profit's being funnelled through the group. Fundraisers appearing to be charitable, free up cash flow to then be liberated from the groups. Again, pioneered by L.Ron Hubbard, this is done primarily by suggesting the leadership is not in direct control of the group, but operates as a "consultant" only. The impression is of a hands off approach, for a one off fee. This is usually found to be false on closer inspection.

Please source these allegations TIA HAND —Phil | Talk 11:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

In any case, these are not directly about the group, so they should probably not be in this article. Zocky | picture popups 12:15, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] section removal

I removed a section and some additional text due to complaints and a lack of sources (see WP:LIVING for policy basis). Please do not re-add the material unless it can be sourced. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 17:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)