Talk:Kemalist ideology
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[edit] Comments
[edit] Creation
There is an article about Mustafa Kemal Atatürk , but it does not contain enough information about Ataturk's principles and ideology, so this article has been created.
[edit] POV
In the secularism section it implies that attaturk's reforms were not anti-Islamic in nature, but I think this is an opinion. Many people view banning the arabic manuscript and Islamic law as an anti-Islamic act. Seems a little POV to me thats all.Roc
- First of all, not attatürk... You must write it as Atatürk. Turkish nation was the only important thing in Atatürks life. He didn't talk about religion issues. He believed that a state must work for the physical world not for the other world. Deliogul 21:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm not exactly an expert of Turkish history, but the part about secularism has a Distinctly pro-secular pro-Atatürk view. Ydirbut 23:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] About Revolutionism
According to some authorities in Turkey , Ataturk's revolutionism principle was reformism. But Ataturk was using the word that "inkılapçılık". "Inkılap" is a Ottoman Turkish word, there is also a word in Arabic Language , it means revolution in English, in modern Turkish this word is "Devrim", in Turkey these authorities prefer to use the old form of this word, not the modern form, because people don't use Arabic words or Ottoman Turkish in Turkey, these authorities want to make this principle misunderstood by people in Turkey, because they don't like a revolution idea. So when they are translating this word to English they use the word "reform". But the meaning of "inkılapçılık" in Ottoman Turkish as Mustafa Kemal Atatürk used in his speeches and in his book which was named Nutuk , means "revolutionism" not reformism. On the other hand the actions of Ataturk were revolutions, establishing the republic was a revolution also,like the French Revolution in 1789.
[edit] Is it necessary?
Just replying to the suggestion that "Kemalist Ideology" should be merged with "Six Arrows". The former, which I was referred to after clicking on "Turkish nationalism" covers the Six Arrows extensively. I don't see the need for overlapping.
- At the very least, there should be a link to "Six Arrows". I will add the link now.
XieChengnuo 02:07, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
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- nvm. I see that the merge has already been done.
XieChengnuo 02:08, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Secularism??
It must be laicism not secularism.I think it is a big difference.
[edit] Merging ?
The one is an ideology the other a political party. This would be like merging the U.S. Democrats with Democracy.
[edit] Claiming ownership does not automatically grant the right
Merging a political party and a state ideology would be unsound in an encyclopedia. Though CHP is the flag bearer for said ideology (mostly due to its age and certain rigidity), every political platform (party or otherwise) at least pays lip service to this ideology. In Turkey state nationalism is enforced with a heavy hand and it would be a political suicide. Each and every one of them could and would lay claim to the title, even for the sake of a pissing match.
[edit] Nationalism - Ulusalcılık?
I'm not sure about this translation. Nationalism is translated to Turkish as either "Milliyetçilik" or "Ulusçuluk" (Millet = Ulus = Nation).
Turkish speakers should check this out.
No, millet and ulus do mean 'nation' but they are not the same. If you say 'Türk milleti', you said 'Turkish people' so the ethnic Turks. If you say 'Türk ulusu', you said 'Turkish nation' and that includes anyone who lives in Turkey, race culture and belief is not important, you are a Turk in Turkey. It's a bit tricky to translate 'Milliyetcilik' and 'Ulusalcilik'. Both are 'Nationalism' but with different accents.
- You are right. Nationalism = Ulusçuluk. Pls anyone change it. Ulusalcılık is different.
- No that is wrong. Nation = Ulus, National = Ulusal so Nationism = Ulusculuk and Nationalism = Ulusalcılık. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.215.193.142 (talk) 14:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Kemalism is a left-wing ideology
This is a reality. No matter what military junta says, Kemalism is not a "third way" or a sum of apolitical ideas.
- Shouldn't this be cited? On what basis is Ataturk's ideology defined as left-wing? Hashshashin 02:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
- I also think that it doesn't reflect the reality. Right-wing is also accepting Kemalism as their ideology. Even extreme right parties like MHP (nationalist party) accepts Kemalism as teir ideology. Please note that this party would take that fact of being called as left, as an insult.
[edit] Peronism
Kemalism is very similar to Peronism. Do you think it should be mentioned?
[edit] Peronism
Kemalism is very similar to Peronism. Do you think it should be mentioned?
I think this is not completely true. In Latin American World, Kemalism moch more similar to Bolivarism. Both ideology is anti-imperialist, and has direct effect from Enlightenment coming from French Revolution. As a result, both can be thought as Third World Enlightment revolution ideology.CeyhunC 14:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
