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[edit] Size or width of article

The penultime edit resulted in a widthe size that bled. Could someone do the edit with the same factual content, but hopefully it wouldn't affect the width of the displayed article on the browers this time. Thanks Bona Fides 20:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citizenship

Is he an American citizen? He was born in Lebanon and grew up in Canada. Zoe - no he`s Canadian

Now it says "British-American." Considering his multi-national parents, his birth in Lebanon and his Canadian citizenship, I'm not sure that's accurate at all. --Feitclub 22:21, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
When did his family move to Canada? The article currently says that he was born in Lebanon, but doesn't describe the circumstances. Were his parents Canadian residents who were simply on vacation in Lebanon, or did he spend the first years of his life there? --LostLeviathan 21:28, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Having a U.S. citizen parent automatically makes you a U.S. citizen, no matter where you are born. Having a British mother makes a person (since 1961) eligible to be registered as a British citizen. Reeves was not born in Canada, nor did he have Canadian parents, so he became a Canadian by naturalization. Lebanon (his place of birth) probably only gives citizenship to a person whose parents are also Lebanese (and Reeves' parents were not). So...Reeves is at least the citizen of 2 countries, possibly 3 or 4.
I don't think you understand why I removed it. I removed it because it falls under Original Research - putting in words like "probably", "maybe", and writing long speculations on his citizenship. The only things we can include are what reliable sources have said about his citizenship - if a reliable source said he has Canadian citizenship, for example, we can include. If a reliable source said he "may have Canadian citizenship", then we can put in "source A said he may have Canadian citizenship". Everything else is speculation, whether based on fact or not is still original research. We can only quote what good sources have said specifically on Reeves Mad Jack 19:28, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
No, I don't think you understand. People wonder about Reeve's nationality/citizenship. (After all, he is an amazing mix of ethnicities & citizenships.) Where's the proof that he's a Canadian citizen? Can you show me his certificate? If not, don't you have to remove the appelation "Canadian actor"? He wasn't born in Canada, nor did he have Canadian parents. My information informs people that Reeves is the citizen of THREE countries. Why not give people that information? Is it a secret? You have a very limited idea of what people should know.

Yes, remove it if we can't source it. Please ready the policy link I gave you. If we want to say Reeves is and/or may be a citizen of a country, we need a reliable source that actually says Reeves is and/or may be a citizen of that country. I don't want to break Wikipedia:3rr and revert you again, but I will as soon as I am able. In the mean time, I'll try looking for what reliable sources have said on his citizenship. Mad Jack 20:41, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

This "remove it if we can't source it" sounds fine in theory, but 1) don't we have to accept some obvious facts? For example, we all know that Reeves is an actor and that he's a Canadian actor. Do we need sources for that? 2) If everything had to be sourced, this and every other article would have a thousand footnotes. Why pick on my citizenship data, when practically every line in the article is unsourced!? 3) The "source" of my data is common sense. A person born anywhere in the world to a U.S. citizen is also a U.S. citizen. (There are a few exceptions, but they don't apply here.) OK...so we know Keanu's father was an American, and we know that the children of U.S. citizens are themselves U.S. citizens. So...can we take a giant leap of faith and say that Keanu is a U.S. citizen? I think we can. Likewise, the British nationality law article right here on Wikipedia states that British women (women were treated as 2nd class citizens in nearly all countries up until rather recently in terms of citizenship law) can pass on citizenship to children born after 1961. And...Keanu was born in 1964. So, do you think it's safe to say that he inherited British citizenship from his English mother? I think it is. (Compare this with the case of David Hicks, an Australian "terrorist" prisoner at Guantanamo. His mother was English and the British High Court ruled that the British government HAS To recognize him as being a British citizen.) 4) Why are "sources" so important, when anyone can be a source?! What if I put up a webpage saying that Keanu Reeves was born in Moose Jaw...could I then link to that source and you'd accept it as gospel? Things are pretty bad when people who know something about a topic are prevented from posting anything about it because someone will just come in and remove it! I may be an expert on multiple citizenships and you may know zilch, but for some reason I'm supposed to do what you say. Why is that?

Hi there, I have something to contribute: His parents just met "by chance" in Lebanon, as they were young and liked travelling around. He once said that in an interview. I gonna search for that source! His mother is British, his father Hawaiian-chinese. His mother and Keanu then started travelling around. They even lived in Australia and finally settled down in Canada. That's why he has the Canadian citizenship. But he is NOT "Canadian-born". -04:40 (GTZ) July 10, 2006

saying that he is haunted by his role in Bill and Ted's Excellent adventure seems to hold a stance against the position that the reason no one gives him any credit as a serious film actor is because he's no good.

I have deleted two references to two movies which seem to exist only in the Wikipedia. The movies are "Beards" and "The Mill of Gunther Pardwick". Regulus 05:18, Aug 8, 2003 (UTC)

His private life should not be mentioned in an encyclopedia. - I meant the last sentence I deleted - encyclopedias should contain facts not gossip

I'm not sure who wrote the above, when, or what it's specifically in reference to, but it's an absurd statement. Articles about people in Wikipedia (and other encyclopedias) are full of details and information about "private lives": wives, husbands, children, drinking problems, etc etc etc. I assume "private life" here is code for someone having said he was bisexual or gay. If so, why not just speak honestly without using silly code words. Moncrief 11:49, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Hawaiian name

Astanhope removes the meaning of his Hawaiian name, then 65.19.30.2 puts their own interpretation in. Strange. Should the name be there or not?Adam Marx Squared 00:18, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)


I'm glad that portion of the name was taken out, which was ridiculous. Although "ke anu" literally means "the coolness", the interpretation used for his own name seems to have been started by himself and it should just be as he interpreted it.


I'm not sure where the interpretation of the "deeper" meaning of his name comes from. There is no "deeper meaning" in our Hawaiian language. Seems like a westerner is trying to impose their philosophies onto our culture. In any case, it just means "the coolness", but if he interprets it "over the mountain", then so be it. His father named Keanu after his uncle Henry Keanu Reeves. Maybe Henry's full name was something like Keanuikamauna or Keanuikekuahiwi which would be coolness over the mountains. Or, Keanu's name is actually longer and he just doesn't use the rest of it.

24.205.39.138 4 July 2005 07:15 (UTC)

Looks like someone revamped the section where it talks about Keanu's great-great-uncle Keaweaheulu. Not sure where the source came from, but how does one get "Keanu" which refers to a cool air from Keaweaheulu, the name of an ancient chief of which the meaning of the name "Keawe" itself has been forgotten? Mamoahina 17:50, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Much like how "tuahine" is "the soft sister-like rain that falls in the valley", the "keanu" wind is the cool wind which passes over the mountains. Perhaps that is the reason for the translation...it was an explanation which was then called a translation. Much gets distorted in the media...as to the Keawe reference...dunno that's weird.

[edit] Keanu's ancestry

Samuel Reeves, the father of Keanu was not just Hawaiian and Chinese. Ironic that they'd list a general racial category of Asian-American since Hawai'i is currently under belligerent U.S. occupation. In any case, Charles Reeves was from Tennessee and was of English and Irish descent. He married Rose Lokalia Miguel whose father Joseph Miguel was Portuguese and whose mother Malaia was 'Oiwi (aboriginal Hawaiian). They had 9 children. One of them was Keanu Reeves' grandfather Samuel Nowlin Reeves. The Chinese ancestry comes from Keanu's paternal grandmother Sarah Monilani Victor.

-- 24.205.39.138 (sig added by cburnett)

"Hawai'i is currently under belligerent U.S. occupation"....can't say I've ever heard anyone say that one before. Cburnett July 4, 2005 06:57 (UTC)
Unfortunately, one of those things the U.S. will not admit.
To the current occupation, no. But they at least admitted and acknowledged what they've done wrong. Guess that's better than nothing for now.

68.190.213.29 19:01, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

http://hawaiiankingdom.org/us-occupation.shtml

Of course if you're a Hawaiian, 'Oiwi or not, you would know about this. People in the U.S. and throughout the world would not know of it. By the way, the person behind that page is Keanu Sai, grandson of Henry Reeves, the man of whom Keanu was named after, just as Keanu Sai was named after his own grandfather.


24.205.39.138 4 July 2005 07:08 (UTC)


Interesting bit about the US occupation, I have always wondered about that. There are some references to it in surfing culture/counterculter.

at least Hawaii is a state and has representation. Certainly it was illegally invaded and the natives were cheated and would prefer that it not have happened and would prefer independence, but then the same can be said of the entire US.
It ws not illegally invaded - U.S. peacekeepers from the U.S.S. Boston landed on 1/16/1893, during a power struggle between two factions in the islands. The royalists lost on 1/17/1893. Although the Blount Report blamed the U.S., his secret investigation dated 7/17/1893 was repudiated by the Morgan Report, a bi-partisan investigation concluded on 2/26/1893. Both the Provisional Government, which replaced the Kingdom, and the Republic of Hawaii, which replaced the Provisional Government, were accepted into the family of nations as legitimate successors to the Kingdom, even by President Grover Cleveland, who at first worked to reinstate his friend the queen. --JereKrischel 22:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
U.S. peacekeepers? Give me a break. Spread your propaganda elsewhere! Troops from the U.S.S. Boston were set out by orders of U.S. Minister Stevens. According to the Blount Report, Minister Stevens had no right. Illegal? Yes! The Morgan Report did not "repudiate" what you claim. You are trying to coerce others to believe that Pres. Cleveland was wrong to tell those men who overthrew the Queen to reinstate her. And being deceived by having this faux government, this de factor government which was accepted into the family of nations doesn't mean anything. Look at the situation of Latvia and the other Baltic States. -- Mamoahina 02:09, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Troops from the U.S.S. Boston were requested by Minister Stevens, but it was Capt. Wiltse who actually drafted the clear orders for them to land exclusively for the protection of American lives and property. In either case, the orders were legal, as concluded by the Morgan Report. President Cleveland did tell President Dole to reinstate the queen in 1893, but following the Morgan Report, President Cleveland rebuffed entreaties from the queen for more interference. He recognized the Provisional Government as legitimate, as well as the following Republic of Hawaii. You'll note that in the case of Latvia, its annexation was not universally recognized by the international community, having a diplomatic presence in the U.S. during the entire soviet occupation. In Hawaii, on the other hand, every country that ever had diplomatic relations with the Kingdom recognized the succession of the Provisional Government and Republic of Hawaii. The two situations are very different. --JereKrischel 03:41, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I guess you aren't accostumed to any type of business in corporate America and understand how things work. Just as in ancient days Ka'ahumanu was blamed for the changes, but when we blame the Haoles for possibly influencing her, it doesn't work that way just because you say so. And you continue to quote the Morgan Report. Good for you! I like how you say that P. Cleveland told President Dole.... You need to spread your lies elsewhere, not on this page. You do realize that Keanu Sai is the grandson of Keanu Reeves' namesake, right? -- 65.115.99.226 00:11, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
How much blame can you attach to the people influencing Ka'ahumanu? And how can you possibly remove blame from her by attacking those she freely chose to associate with? Whether or not Keanu Sai is related to Keanu Reeves has nothing to do with whether or not the Provisional Government and Republic of Hawaii were universally internationally recognized, and lawfully chose to pursue annexation with the United States - yielding voluntary annexation, not some sort of military occupation. I know there are those who would like to maintain that somehow their racial group is entitled to special treatment in Hawaii, by attacking the legal basis and foundation for the State of Hawaii, but those arguments are completely unfounded, and rightfully dismissed by the international community which has for over 100 years universally accepted the legitimacy of the voluntary annexation of Hawaii to the United States. --JereKrischel 00:53, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Typical Haole. Blame, blame, blame! Did you not comprehend what I wrote? I wrote, Just as in ancient days Ka'ahumanu was blamed for the changes, but when we blame the Haoles for possibly influencing her, it doesn't work that way just beacuse you say so. In a better perspective, "blame" is only an excuse to see what cause the problem in the first place rather than focusing on the problem itself. Not the person. If something goes wrong, do you always blame a person? Or do you look at the situation? It's the same concept here. --Mamoahina 17:19, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
So are you saying when you blame haoles, you're only making an excuse, and avoiding focus on the problem itself? In the case of the Hawaiian Revolution, I suppose you're right, since the real problem was the Queen's maladministration, not her race. I think you're arguing at cross-purposes here, but so be it. In any case, I think you'll agree that assertions that Hawaii is under some sort of belligerent military occupation have no place in a discussion about Keanu Reeves. --JereKrischel 17:43, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
If you are referring to the Native Americans, it was a different situation, although in both cases they were just "screwed". Hawaii had treaties with other countries since 1843 and was accepted into the Family of Nations not to mention the U.S. was one of the first 3 nations to recognize the Hawaiian Kingdom as a full fledged nation. Also very important to know that it wasn't just the "natives" who were cheated. At the time of the overthrow, the kingdom did have a variety of nationals of various ethicities and former nationalisties such as those from England, Germany, Norway, China and Portugal. So it wasn't just the natives.

66.215.18.34 00:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


Reeves has an unexplainable habit of working with fellow actors more than once:

Um. Is this really all that unusual? --24.44.37.202 14:07, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

It's not unique, but it's not all that common. It's indicative of Reeves' demeanor and professionalism that actors wish to work with again. You can often tell who the nice guys are by how often they reteam with the same actors. It's interesting and should be kept/added to. Scott197827 5th Nov 2005

Okay, maybe it's not all that common. But "unexplainable" seems a silly phrasing. Sure it's explainable, Scott just did. :D Sontra 05:38, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Occupation

If you want to flood anything non-related to Keanu Reeves' bio about Occupation of his father's homeland, please do it in another place rather than his biography. It has no place really under his "ancestry". My comment was to point out the redundancy of using "-American" to his ancestry to which was limited to Asian-American, not Hawaiian-American. Mamoahina 14:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I think you're absolutely right Mamoahina - however, by the same token, unless Malaia was born and dead before 1900 and the Organic Act which granted U.S. citizenship to all kanaka maoli, Keanu Reeves does have Hawaiian-American heritage. The discussion of whether or not Hawaii was legally annexed to the United States is a complex one that should be handled elsewhere. I think your initial comment which brought up the issue was probably not intended to generate the discussion it did, but it is sufficiently controversial to elicit responses. I'm all for burying the hatchet on this one, and agreeing to disagree elsewhere. --JereKrischel 19:00, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] His ancestry

OK, I tried my best to explain his ancestry under "Early life", since it is a subject that is very often limited to saying that his father was "Chinese-Hawaiian", which was obviously not the full and exact story. I've mentioned that his paternal grandfather was half Irish and half Portuguese/Hawaiian, which is something usually mentioned in the in-depth family trees. However, I'm unclear on his paternal grandmother. I mention her being "of part Chinese descent", because it clearly wasn't his paternal grandfather who was Chinese, but does anyone know for sure? Her name, Sarah Victor, is not exactly very Chinese. Was her mother Chinese or are all the profiles that mention Reeves' Chinese ancestry simply incorrect, and he isn't Chinese at all? JackO'Lantern 08:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Correct, the Chinese ancestry didn't come from his paternal grandfather Samuel Nowlin Reeves. I am unsure of his paternal grandmother's ancestry as well. I only know that her name is Sarah Monilani Victor. --Mamoahina 14:39, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and the reason I added all those English categories (i.e. "English film actors") is because he is a British citizen. JackO'Lantern 08:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't mean to be a dick but this section is very difficult to follow. A family tree or something would be very helpful.--DannyBoy7783 23:40, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
What do you mean a family tree? You mean an actual one in the article? Or do you want a link to a tree so you can re-write the info to be less confusing? In case it's that, here is one.[1]. JackO'Lantern 03:04, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dated Carrie-Anne Moss?

It says Reeves dated her during the filming of the Matrix sequels. But Carrie-Anne's article says she's been married since 1999. Can anyone elaborate? 67.142.130.32 06:14, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it must have been a mistake. Yahoo [2] says it was during the first Matrix. I'll change it. Thanks for the heads up.JackO'Lantern 07:56, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I think if you do not know, do not claim the Chinese heritage to the most convenient person. Additionally, why do you feel that it obviously is not the paternal grandfather?

Well his paternal grandfather's ancestry has been tracked fully. His father was Irish-American. His mother was Native Hawaiian and Portuguese. Since so many (reliable) sources say Reeves' father is half Hawaiian and half Chinese, there is really no other possibility other than that it was his grandmother who had the Chinese heritage (though probably wasn't fully of it). JackO'Lantern 20:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
What does this have to do with him dating Carrie-Anne Moss?

[edit] American Canadians category

What criteria must one meet to be placed in the American Canadians category? According to his most recent interview (April 2006, Playboy), Reeves is still legally a Canadian citizen. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:47, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it must be based on parentage. I.e. his father was an American. What do you think? JackO'Lantern 08:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Salary

Did he really earn $259,600,000 for the Matrix trilogy. I find this hard to believe.

MaggieMae 03:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


Why are all these unsupported salary numbers allowed here? What is the reference for "Fortune $350,000,000". That's not even a salary! Pgc512 20:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] He has a tendency to re-team with actresses after a number of years

This is cute, but is he really responsible for all this "re-teaming" or did they just happen to get cast in the same movies? 203.173.139.129 08:18, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

COnsidering playing in all three Matrix Movies with the same actor as "reteaming after many years" is definitly bullshit... (Carrie Ann Moss)

               i agree with this.   it is not "Re-teaming" when you are doing back-to-back produced sequels

[edit] Keanu and Sandra Bullock

Keanu accompanying Sandra at the Oscars was not a publicity stunt. Sandra and Keanu have been very good friends for 12 years. Sandra's husband Jesse James absolutely hates attendng public events like these. He and Keanu were friends even befoe Sandra met him. Jesse James who makes custom bikes, made one for Keanu years ago. He totally trusts Keanu and cares for him- per Sandra. That is why Sandra and Keanu have been together at all events, promos worldwide "unchaperoned".


[edit] Keanu and Buddhism

He is Buddhist this have been on sites and even proven on videos if theres some conspiracy to discredit other religion if they arent islam on wikipedia Buddhist143

Provide a reference then.

[edit] Gossips

Gossips section deleted as it doesn't meet Wikipedia's policies re living persons.

[edit] Trivia

Trivia section should be moved above filmography. Deleted a few sections that were irrelevant on talk page(such as "he's Irish-American!!!"). Someone should move all the postings on ancestry under one heading.

[edit] vandalism

haha some anonymous added quotation marks around the word actor, so it was like " Canadian "actor" " . Haha, watch out for this aye? RyanRP 21:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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