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[edit] Welcome

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[edit] The East End

Hi! Just been browsing through some pretty dreadful wikipedia articles on the East End. There's a particularly bad one on the Ratcliffe Highway Murders which somehow manages to omit the names of both the victims and the murderer and the fact that the latter was buried at the cross-roads with a stake through his heart....which I thought might JUST be worthy of mention...Nothing much on 'The Jago' either (just an article on Morrison) and a pretty bad entry for Bethnal Green which omits to tell us where it is....Some very strained attempts to master the English language as well...Colin4C 02:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

As someone who produces much tortured prose, myself; I sympaphise with the perpretrators. The main thing is
  • a) to cover, however briefly the important topics in the East End (there are some areas in Hackney that just about say harmless;
  • b) attempt to expand them with local history and other detail (eh, mostly harmless);
  • c) correct the worst horrors, even revisiting our own stuff!
  • d) Maintain a list of areas that need attention, and then clock them when either of us have time.
  • e) Aim to increase quality, both in our own and others work
I think the fact that there's someone else actively working on the material is a big help. Everybody need editing, and everyone needs reining back sometimes from my more extravagent excursions ...
I'd go ahead and change anything you feel particularly interested in, especially where they're factually deficient. Kbthompson 09:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
No need to burden yourself on my account Kb.....but....Just a bit bothered about 'The Jago' (aka 'The Boundary Estate'). I guess, if it is not indeed an entity in itself, it must be in Bethnal Green, certainly over the Shoreditch boundary. 'Bethnal Green' seems such an amorphous area though....however I'm not a born and bred East-Ender, so what do I know...I was also looking unsuccesfully for a reference to the 'London Burkers' (Bishop and Head) who conducted their body-snatching activities in this area (see 'The Italian Boy' by Sarah Wise)Colin4C 10:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

The Boundary was the world's (?) first council estate, built by a prepubescent LCC, complete with a bandstand in the middle to entertain the masses. All the areas are amorphous - they all were part of larger units - even Hackney was a part of 'Stepney' at one time! They sub-divided like amoeba with the growth in population. Nothing on London bodysnatchers turned up, except a 'paid for article' in the Surgeon Kbthompson 11:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] A bit of an article Cromwell knocked about a bit?

Hello again Kb. I've just been rewriting part of the Music hall article so that it at least approximates the known basic facts of the matter and removed stuff which was irrelevent/stupid/false. That is one seriously bad article and needs a lot of work.....Colin4C 16:20, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Colin. I only contributed the section about surviving music halls; buildings being a particular interest of mine; and the article being particularly short in letting people know what was being talked about. The rest of the article was more than a little lengthy, and well to put it frankly, didn't read like an interesting story. You've done a good bit towards tidying that up.I think there's a bit of a jump (now) into the late period, but that probably reflects the relative importance of the buildings. From the Georgian period, Whitechapel/Mile End Road had over 100 (200?) music halls along it's length - most music rooms in pubs; some large purpose built. There should be some of this in the Charlie Booth archive.
Busy week for me, might not get too much time to look at stuff! Kbthompson 09:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Your section is very good. I just had time to put in the bare minimum of info about the development of the music hall, mentioning e.g. how 'variety theatre' of the late 19th century subsumed the older music hall tradition. One interesting thing I've realised is how the development of the modern pub as-we-know-it with the saloon bar is essentially linked to the provision of entertainment in said saloon bar. Beforehand I guess your pub or tavern had a whole different ambience. This equation between saloon bar and music hall must account for the vast numbers of them you mention along Whitechapel/Mile End Road. Colin4C 10:38, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
One of the best was the Lord Rodneys' Head - sadly now a supermarket - it had a glass roofed music room at the back, and you could see the previous layout in the ceiling (always look at the ceiling ...) Most refurbs of pubs these days are complete strip out jobs, and all 'authenticity' is added later! Laterly, the saloon was an area with a carpet and comfy chairs, with a couple of pence on the price, but entertainment was much the same idea. Kbthompson 11:38, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bot Architecture Tags

Hmm. In that it's a physical structure, presumably designed by an architect, Aldgate is an architectural creation. I realize that the connection isn't quite the strongest ever drawn. My bot is tagging articles found in Category:Buildings and structures by country, which, presumably, if categorized correctly, have relevance to Wikiproject architecture. I hope that helps. Alphachimp 01:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

A physical structure that no longer exists in an architectural form; was put together by 'rule of thumb builders' ... Certainly no architects were harmed in the construction of this object ... Kbthompson 08:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
haha. anyway, I'm just explaining why it was tagged. Feel free to remove it if you want. It is a wiki after all :). Alphachimp 13:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Nyet ne probleme Kbthompson 14:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wilton's Music Hall

Hi, K (or b, as the case may be). I saw in the Music hall article that Hoxton Hall now has an article, so I hastened to put in a link at Leeds City Varieties. I couldn't understand why there isn't an article for Wilton's, so redlinked it to add to the one in List of Restoration candidates, and googled for other references (can you tell that I'm a librarian? ex-Leeds University, actually), intending to put up a stub from online sources. Then I found myself doing major surgery on Deborah Warner and ran out of time.

Anyway, I've never visited Wilton's (must do it soon), so I'm sure you're in a better position to start an article. Do you know the Theatre Trust database? The Wilton's entry is here and looks well worth plundering. Best, Andrew (GuillaumeTell 17:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC))

[edit] The New Standard Theatre

Hello again Kb. Although I like your picture of the New Standard Theatre in the Music hall article I can't help questioning whether the New Standard Theatre was in fact a music hall...According to my info it was a regular theatre... Colin4C 11:33, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The New Standard was a strange place, it was a music hall, but aimed to provide a 'higher class' of entertainment. It would provide normal music hall entertainments, until people like the Royal Ballet had finished their normal performances, and then came down to do an extra late 'gig' at the New Standard. I think it's fair to use it here, as many of the stars listed performed there, and I found an image of the Canterbury to put in the article further up! It also hosted touring performances of straight theatre ... Point taken, if I found something better, I'd replace it. Note variety acts and concert performances Kbthompson 11:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
OK, I clarified that in the caption (still awaiting a better image). Found an image of Hetty King on some sheet music, and added that to Shoreditch, as she was born there. Liked the joke so much, I added it to the boro' page as well! Kbthompson 16:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Hands of the Ripper...

Hello again Kb. Just to say that there is a new series starting Tuesday on Channel 5 on Jack the Ripper which you might be interested in. I doubt that they will turn up any new evidence but its always fun to see 'the usual suspects' (the Masons, the Duke of Clarence, Sickert, Patricia Cornwall) do their jolly music-hall turn as the audience gasp in horror (and despair...) Colin4C 11:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

ta, with Five, it can either be good, or just plain piss poor ... you just never know Kbthompson 11:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] link to British

Hello, when you want to link to the article about something British, please do not link to British, as that is a disambiguation page (which nothing should be linked to). Instead link to the one of the options found on that page such as United Kingdom or Great Britain by writing out [[United Kingdom|British]] or [[Great Britain|British]]. Regards, Jeff3000 20:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Terribly sorry, I used it in the sense to which it is usually and commonly used, i.e to denote the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and Commonwealth, that existed in the historical period referred to. cheers, Kbthompson 20:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

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