Talk:Kazushi Sakuraba
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I made a few changes in the Sakuraba article to bring up points I found to be notable. Does anyone have any additional suggestions?
- Looks good, thanks! Please consider registering, but in any case, always sign your posts with ~~~~. Thanks! --Malathion 21:21, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] The Kimo fight?
I noticed the Kimo fight got erased from the article. I've seen the fight and it looks suspicious, and Saku's stated he threw that fight. Still, Kimo maintains it was not a work and it's in Sherdog's fight finder. What's to consider NPOV? NonTelly 09:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I just registered! Made a few minor aesthetic changes...
I switched the heading "biography" to "early years" and divided the rest of the bio into seperate sections. In addition to what I added regarding the UWFi-Gracie rivalry and the Saku-Gracie rivalry, I would like to at some point expand on Sakuraba's amateur career and his catch-as-catch-can training if I can ever find solid information on it. Sakuraba was at least a national freshman champion in Japan, which means he defeated all other participating freshman in a tournament to determine the best freshman...but I'm not clear on details since then...so I changed it from "national champion" to "collegiate champion", since although it is viable to call him a national champion, it is also a bit of a stretch. Let me know if anything I put in comes off as unbiased or unprofessional. I think that the Kimura parallels and the note about Sakuraba not appearing to bear the Gracies ill-will may come off as hagiographic if not phrased carefully...I did my best to put it in an objective way. Let me know if I succeeded.
--69.208.243.171 00:31, 14 July 2005 (UTC)kforcer
[edit] opinions about the Shamrock fight
As far as I know, Tito just made a comment along the lines of "they screw you in Japan if you fight against a Japanese fighter" but that was before he even saw the fight, he had just heard about it. Anyone have a source? I know that Frank Shamrock gave an detailed analysis of the stoppage and that it's in writing.
[edit] Real Height
According to the database at: http://www.fcfighter.com/news.htm Saku's height is 5'9. The Wikipedia article and Sherdog have him listed as 6'0. What is his real height? --Jayson Virissimo 06:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
- 6'0 sounds right, he's always looked slightly taller than Wanderlei Silva in their pre-match staredowns and Wand is 5'11. -- Trench 20:36, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Whose that Idiot ?
I can see that Some one has rubbed out and edited Out some useful and important imformation on the feud between Sakuraba and the gracies, especially the things that happened IN and during the match, now which Idiot did that? Could someone please put that info back in!!! --T00C00L 01:43, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Now listen, this is a public encyclopedia and you can ADD whenever you feel like it, but you can NEVER rub, edit out or decrease the information here.
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- Take a look through the page's History and find out yourself. I've had a quick look at the changes since January and no major info about the Gracie rivalry has been removed. Incidentally precisely because this is a public encyclopedia anyone can remove info from articles if it's not relevant or verifiable. -- Trench 18:56, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
ok, since you cant say anything, than i would,(and you just shut up!)--T00C00L 08:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC) Just added these in: However, it could be argued that Royce's main intention in entering the tournament was not winning the Grand Prix crown but rather doing battle with the Gracie family's new nemesis, Kazushi Sakuraba. In fact, a special set of rules were requested by the Gracies that would apply only to the potential Sakuraba-Royce match, including no referee stoppages and no time-limits, the fight ending only in the event of a submission or knock-out.
Royce advanced to the quarterfinals by beating Sakuraba's stablemate Nobuhiko Takada (ironically enough, with a judge's decision), before finding himself matched up with Sakuraba. Gracie and Sakuraba battled for an hour and a half. Early in the fight, Sakuraba nearly ended things with a knee-bar towards the end of the first round. Later on, Royce returned the favor with a guillotine choke which Sakuraba lingered in, but eventually escaped from. As the confrontation stretched on, the Gracie's own no time-limit rules began to work against Royce asSakuraba's wrestling skills and balance nullified Royce's ability to score a takedown and — in some instances — even pull guard.
Even Royce's ever-present jiu-jitsu gi became a weapon for the wrestler to use against him as Sakuraba used it to help him control Gracie on the instances the fight did come to the ground. However, with Sakuraba's control of the takedown, these instances of ground warfare became increasingly sporadic. After the 90 minute battle of punishing leg kicks, Royce's brother threw in the towel. Gracie could no longer stand and suffered a broken foot from accumulated damage. Prior to the bout, there was speculation that the fight was largely personal, with Sakuraba looking to atone for his stablemate's defeats and Royce looking to avenge his brother. However, following the the stoppage, Royce and Sakuraba embraced in the ring. Gracious in victory, Sakuraba flatteringly pointed to Royce as the superior ground-technician when questioned as to why he didn't engage him on the ground more frequently. --T00C00L 08:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removed Rickson comment
I removed the comment about Sakuraba fighting Rickson by the end of the year. I know it is possible but they have been saying this for more then 6 years! I don't really think it belongs in an encyclopedia article until it gets a mainstream MMA news organization saying it will happen. --Jayson Virissimo 00:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Protected
This page has been protected due to the editing by unregistered users wherein illegal links were posted. If you wish to discuss the policies and guidelines, you may also do so here. Let's try to keep the article clean! Wyldephang 16:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] improve or else
i believe we oughta improve and add in the championships and accomplishments section, cuz Sakuraba oughta have won at least ONE or two wrestling (or fighting) championships in his life !!! T00C00L 12:13, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Toocool, just to be clear, what you added regarding the Royce Gracie match was my writing...
...not to sound arrogant, but I haven't done much in life. So just wanna make sure I get credit for the little bit I do. I originally wrote it for the Royce Gracie article, before you copy and pasted it onto the Sakuraba article. Of course, then I removed it because at the time, it didn't fit. After revamping the Sakuraba article however, I figured I'd save some time and just copy the section about the Royce fight from that article and then change the description on the Royce page.
[edit] Sakuraba Out With Brain Circulatory Condition
[1] --Jayson Virissimo 17:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
