Talk:Katie Holmes
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After posting a request for comments to archiving this page on June 20, 2006 and hearing no objections, I created an archive today. Discussions before July 1, 2006 are archived at Talk:Katie Holmes/Archive1. PedanticallySpeaking 13:50, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Kissing Katie Holmes
This section had been in the article for a while but I took it out. I don't see any reason for its inclusion as it has no direct relation to Holmes.Joshua4 19:17, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
p.s. what the heck is the point about some magazine article imagining a fantasy sequence where they sign a contract and it's all fraud? seriously, that is so ridiculous to put in there, this is an encyclopedia about katie holmes, some magazine that writes some fictional story about her makes no sense to be put in here, that wouldnt even go on the page about the criticism of the couple! someone just wants to make things look a certain way and load it up with as much of that as they can.
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[edit] The name Suri
In Saudi Arabia/Arabian gulf countries. Suri is a nickname for Sarah. It's very common to use it instead of Sarah but not a formal name. 213.251.134.44 08:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Suri also means "pickpocket" in Japanese. -Tacubus 11:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Why does Suri Cruise redirect to the Katie Holmes article? Granted, there's no hard evidence Suri actually exists, apart from TomKat's Scientologist friends; which means there isn't a lot of info (even for a stub) … but why redirect to Katie as opposed to, say, Tom Cruise? --Micahbrwn 06:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I think that Suri Cruise should have her own article and the fact that it is directed to Katie Holmes is kind of... dumb. She is her own person and although their is no 'proof' of her existing yet you could also put that in there. Just saying. Also the reason it isnt directed to Tom Cruise is because the baby did in fact come out of Katie, not Tom. :-P--Angela 19:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
→I agree with Bandaid. There is not enough info on Suri yet. It makes sense to put Suri in the Katie Holmes article becuse she in fact gave birth to Suri. Tom only played a small part.ShadowWriter 00:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
- Please see WP:UNDEL for information on how to undelete articles. --Yamla 19:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
How old is the baby? Until the child actually has any notability of their own (assuming of course it does), it should redirect here. A baby who hasn't learned to talk, walk or do anything for itself yet has no notability of it's own and (I know this sounds clinical) is really only a feature of it's parents for encyclopedic purposes unless there are extraordinary circumstances (I'm struggling to think of an example; an infant heir to a throne that is orphaned or something?). I came and checked this out expecting fancruft but was surprised to see a very encyclopedic article. Let's keep it that way rather than confusing media interest and fan interest for notability. Elomis 02:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wow!
Kudos to those that penned Katie's page. Not only is it detailed but you've got the references.
Katie would be proud to have obsessive fans that have high acedemic standards. - Htra0497 20:00, 14 July 2006 (AET)
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- As the principal author of the page, thank you very much. PedanticallySpeaking 12:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] overdone
this article seems really long and drawn out. i understand it's well referenced but i really think it needs to be pared down a little.
[edit] Fair use images
I'm not extremely familiar with Wikipedia's fair use policy, but is it true that no fair use image is allowed on an article if a free-licensed one has been located? It's just that the fair use images on the article have recently been removed for this reason. Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 21:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
- I think this is not correct and restored those images. PedanticallySpeaking 16:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, it is correct if the copyrighted image is being used for the same purpose. Thus, a copyrighted image to depict Ms. Holmes may not be used if a free image is available. But a copyrighted image of Ms. Holmes posing on the cover of Playboy (hypothetically) would be fair-use if attached to a paragraph discussing the resulting controversy. --Yamla 17:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] SURI SIGHTINGS
How come there is nothing on the article about the Suri sightings?? Leah Remini and Jada Pinkett Smith have spotted Suri and described her. Yet nothing in the Katie Holmes or Tom Cruise articles talks about it. Lil Flip246 16:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Because those people were paid to say they saw Suri. Suri doesn't exist. It was a faked pregnancy, and they were planning to adopt someone. The real mom had her, and changed her mind. At least that is my take on it.Casual Karma 07:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] about her missing
where did the info go where it said katie went missing for 2 weeks so much that no one could get into contact with her before announcing that her and tom were dating? that shouldnt have been deleted that continues to prove to people that scientology is a brainwashing unit
- This was noted in an article on the Fox News Channel's website. I removed it because of the lack of sourcing for the claim. If you have a reliable source stating this, let me know and I'll see about restoring the information. PedanticallySpeaking 17:13, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- Why would this be of intrest anyway? Celbs are often not seen for a few days or weeks for varouis reasons. Just because she was not seen for two weeks before she started dating Tom might not even be related.ShadowWriter 23:48, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- That's another excellent point that I also should have made. PedanticallySpeaking 14:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
- Why would this be of intrest anyway? Celbs are often not seen for a few days or weeks for varouis reasons. Just because she was not seen for two weeks before she started dating Tom might not even be related.ShadowWriter 23:48, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- This information had been restored, again citing to the same dubious source, and I again removed it today. PedanticallySpeaking 16:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] references
do you know that it is possible to use <ref>reference name="any_memo_name_choosen"</ref> to avoid doublon. it is quality article but more than 80 references is a bit reluctant (and as there are doublons I thing there are work to do...). I can help a while --Ayanoa 15:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
What are you saying, hun?
[edit] Name Suri
The name suri DOES come from the hebrew princess (from the word "sar" which means officer), and is an Ashkenazi variation on the name Sarah (in Genesis Sarah is names 'Sarai'. It is a very popular hebrew name among Ashkenazi Jews outside of Israel who consider it their hebrew name. It comes from the hebrew, even if it is not in the israeli pronunciation. I wonder if the Israelis interviewed knew this when they said that it means "get out of here". They probably did.
216.106.49.131 08:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Name
If the name of Katie on the birth certificate of Suri is Kate Noelle "Katie" Holmes shouldn't we write that, even if everyone writes just Katie Holmes? It must be the correct name, if it's there. --80.63.213.182 17:04, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
It's her common name. It really has no effect, I think. --TopGear 00:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
- I would always refer to her as "Katie Holmes" but in the first sentence it is Wikipedia practice to give people's legal names, if known. So that's what I've done and documented the same in a footnote. PedanticallySpeaking 17:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I always thought her first name was Katherine and her parents just shortened it to Katie. Could we look into her name a little more?ShadowWriter 21:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Stop the Nonsense
I am always surprised how gullible our society is. Many relationships are created for pure appearance and public acceptance. This relationship between Cruise and Holmes is just the tip of the iceberg. Celebrities pay large amounts of money to keep certain information concealed from society. However, many that work behind the scenes see the truth. Actors such as John Travolta, Nicholas Cage, Tom Cruise, Will Smith, just to name a few, have secrets they do not want made public.
The psychology of the public seems to be a "believe what I want to believe” attitude. This seems to be typical and is one reason why good PR Representatives are so important. They aid in squashing truths that they do not want revealed. Even with the truth told, those that “don’t want to believe it” dismiss it. Things like Tom Cruise and Will Smith being gay, John Travolta has a thing for little boys, and Nicholas Cage pays big money to hide his illegitimate kid and there are many more. The public finds this information hard to believe and convince themselves that it's not true, as if they know them. LOL. Some people even say well if he is gay why is he married…. Come on are you that naïve??
I guess the public seems to view celebrities as having some “super human” stature, so in turn they are placed on pedestals. Remember they are only people. I guess that is why the saying “ignorance is bliss” exists.
Of course many will say "where are the sources" that show proof. Well, I work in the industry so I am a source and "witness" along with many others. Cage's issue is covered by attorney client privileges....etc. But I guess I could tell you who the attorney is. So if this gets pulled I guess I'll divulge names next. Indrat 19:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Again About Suri
I added some parts about the name "Suri" according to some references. Iran ‘s "National Organization for Civil Registration" [1] has a website which you can search a name and find how many people with that name exist in Iran. The problem with the site is that one can not link to an entry directly. So, if you want to check the credibility of the “3184” SuriS, please go here [2] and in the blank area cut and paste this سوری . by the way my aunt's nick is also Suri! "--Pejman47 23:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] This article's bibliography is becoming very long
You people should cull it. There are far, far too many. Having all the citations is fine, but there's too much bibliography. Maybe include the bibliographical information relevant to any given citation within that citation (like most American scholars do nowadays).
[edit] Babe-O-Rama?
The dismissive reference to Michelle Williams might be a little uncalled for. If anything, Williams has a better repuutation as an actress now than does Holmes. Cranston Lamont 18:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Surname
On November 18, there were changing to the article indicating that Holmes had changed her surname to "Cruise." Doing some quick googling, I don't see any references indicating that she's changed her name. I've therefore reverted it to Holmes unless there is sufficient evidence that she has. Sean Hayford O'Leary 07:50, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] http://www.myspace.com/f12isyeah
That person Keeps Changing the page to his/her Myspace link. Said person is a Vandalizing faggot. Carlo V. Sexron 19:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll do my best to revert.
