User talk:Kashk/Archive 2

I'm sorry

When did I give you a warning? --Khoikhoi 18:48, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

conflict with Kurds

Hi,

I was reading comments of Kurdistan. I can clearly understand what you mean by saying that all kurds are making propaganda of Kurdistan. Since I live in Turkiye. It is just a pink dream of Kurds. Whether they want and work on it, or not don't change the fact that Kurds are only ' y ' variables of this equation. Turkey, Iran, Syria, Azerbaijan and Armenia are x, z, s, t and h variables of this equation. Redrawing 5 countries border to create a big kurdish state is not easy. Additionally, after Iraq war and what Kurdish people did for Iraq.

Consequently, I advise you to stay calm. :)

--TuzsuzDeliBekir 19:33, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Alekum Salam, as you know that Kurdistan is just a political purpose. Some editors claim that it is just a name of region. Unfortunately, the place has been called ' Mezapotamia ' for thousand years. --TuzsuzDeliBekir 07:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Award

Agha mer30.

Thanx for the award.

We always need more users to help out in policing the articles which have taken some zahmatkesh users many many hard hours to write and compile.

dastet dard nakoneh.--Zereshk 11:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

RfA/Christopherlin

Thanks for voting in my recent RfA. It went without consensus at (22/11/8). I hope that next time I'm up (after getting a better hang of "the process") I might have your support then. --Christopherlin 17:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Greater Iran

The AfD is currently orphaned, so I'd suggest listing it on AfD. I don't know why if never was, but since it looks like he's now supporting keep, it'll probably get speedy keep.--Shanel 21:30, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Well I left a message asking why he didn't list it on AfD. I would like to hear his response. I'd list it still only because if it's closed, it would be an orphan close, and I'm not sure what would happen to it.--Shanel 22:02, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd include Ossetia, parts of Georgia, and Armenia for sure. They have historical ties. But Bahrain, I cant really say. Even though they have Persian origins, I still remember how they played Iran's football team a few years back. Their history article on WP makes it sound as if Bahrain was soveregin to begin with and was invaded by Persians. I dont think they really matter though.--Zereshk 23:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Here's what I think

See if you agree with the conclusion I make:

I think there are points we can consider here regarding whether or not we should include Georgia:

• Georgia was a Persian Province during Sassani times (especially starting with Hormozd IV).
• During the Safavid era, Georgia became so culturally intertwined with Iran that they almost repalced the Qezelbash in the Safavi courts.
• Persian was the official administrative language of Georgia in the time of Shah Tahmasb.
• Allah-verdi Khan, (whom 33pol is named after), was among the Georgian elite that were involved in the Safavid government.
• Georgia was again a direct province of Persia from 1629 until 1762 when the Russians arrived in support.
• All the above is especially true about "Eastern Georgia". Eastern Georgia always seems to have been attached to the south, as opposed to Western Georgia, which looked for help to the North.
• "Teflis" was Persianized for quite some time. That's why Abbas Mirza spent much time there.
• Persia was unable to challenge Russia in Georgia, and officially gave up claim to Georgia according to the text of the Gulistan Treaty and Turkmanchai treaty.

In light of the above, and what Encyclopedia Iranica says about Persia-Georgia, I think it would be quite safe to name Georgia, or "Eastern Georgia", or "parts of Georgia", as a Quasi-Persian cultural province or satellite, or Persianoid state, or something like that.

nazaret chiyeh?--Zereshk 00:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

BTW, E.I. has plenty of material about Armenia-Iran history and culture too.--Zereshk 00:28, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

If we maintain a positive tone in the sentences, and put a lot of hendooneh under the arm pits (if u know what I mean!), I think we can do this.

Areh, some of our Shahs dealt really brutally with them indeed. But I think we can avoid problems by wording our sentences carefully so they dont sound Pan-Iranist or anything. We can stick to the connecting facts, and balance the controversial sounding sentences by following them with a (how should I put it) healing-positive-spin sentence, if you know what I mean. Baa loghat baayad baazi kard taa be kesee cheezee bar nakhoreh. Masalan we can emphasize on the good things that came out of it (for example that Persian culture was highly influenced by the Georgian influence, etc.). I have to go now, but we'll work on it zarreh zarreh. I havent read those E.I. articles either myself. Lets see what we can pull out of them.--Zereshk 01:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

man deegeh beram. Deeram shod. Felan.--Zereshk 01:09, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

The map is good. Dastet dard nakoneh. As for my opinion, I'd be a little hesitant about including all of Pakistan. For example, is Sindh province historically part of Greater Iran? The Chinese areas seem a bit too exaggerated as well. Abkhazia (northwestern Georgia), I think, also would be best left outside of the Greater Iran territories.

Thanx again for your zahmat.--Zereshk 23:14, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Kurdistan

Hmmm. What I think you should have done is made a proposal on the talk page first about if anyone disagrees or agrees. You might have considered making a Requested Move. The thing is, you did the move by copying and pasting, which is the incorrect way as it destroys the edit history. I'm going to have to revert you because of that reason, not because I don't agree with you.

The truth of the matter is, I think that your title sounds more NPOV, but we're going to have to bring something up on the talk page first, as just moving without saying anything about it is considered bad form. There's a big difference between "the part of Kurdistan in Turkey" and "Kurds that live in Turkey" by the way. --Khoikhoi 01:33, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I understand. I checked your contributions and it looks like you've been dong a lot of work lately. Keep it up! --Khoikhoi 01:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

But Kurds who live in South Eastern Turkey should be examined as a part of Kurds in Turkey. Not a seperate article.--Kagan the Barbarian 10:33, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Persian Jews

The section also talks about groups outside Iran. From their persepective the Iranian revolution is not a significant, life-changing experience. Aucaman^Talk 01:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

That wasn't my point. I meant from the persepective of those living OUTSIDE Iran (like Afghan Jews) the Iranian revolution is not big thing. The event is still significant from the perpespective of those living in Iran (Iranian Jews). Aucaman^Talk 01:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

1979 is significant for Afghan Jews because of the soviet invasion of Afghanistan, not the Iranian revolution. When talking about Afghan Jews there's no reason to bring up the Iranian revolution. Aucaman^Talk 02:09, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Well I'm guessing a large part of Afghan Jews are Persian Jews who came to Afghanistan for trade and decided to settle there. Why are you asking me all these questions? I only changed the title of the section to reflect its contents. I did not write any of this and I don't own the article. Aucaman^Talk 02:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

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selam

Hi,

I was reading article of sassanid kingdom. Was it the first Islamic Kigndom ? --TuzsuzDeliBekir 19:35, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I was about to forget. I have seen Kurds in Turkey, however, population of Kurds live in Turkey is much more bigger than we know. I think there is something to do for me ;) Thanks

Re: Too neutral

You're refering to the request to delete the Iranian nations page, right? Have you ever heard this term used? In my honest opinion, I haven't. It seems valid, but I'm just not sure if it's original research or not. Another question, should this be merged into Greater Iran? I don't mean to let you down, but I've never heard of this term before. --Khoikhoi 00:18, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I voted. --Khoikhoi 00:20, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

You didn't reply. What do you think of my merge proposal? --Khoikhoi 00:56, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure. It doesn't sound too bad. --Kash 01:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

They're basically the same thing. It seems that Aucaman isn't very happy about this, even though he hasn't said it. --Khoikhoi 01:13, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

1th or 2nd?!

Cute?!! As in the first Image or the seconde one?! :) Diyako Talk + 00:27, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks

This is your first and only warning about this, since you've been embroiled in this debate for some time and KNOW that personal attacks are innapropriate here. This is a CLEAR personal attack, and is HIGHLY innapropriate. If you use this type of language again, you will be blocked. --InShaneee 04:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

What are you saying, that mine are CLEAR and theirs is not? there have been reports for many personal attacks by the opposition to you by many others too, yet you decided not to do anything about those. I see this as a CLEAR harassment. --Kash 10:23, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I never said that theirs wasn't clear, but I'm not going to block a user on your say-so alone. And again, the behavior of other users has no bearing on your own. Regardless of what others may or may not do, if YOU cannot stay civil, you WILL be blocked. --InShaneee 23:46, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

It has not been my say alone, other users have also reported it on your page. What else does it take? for YOUR information, I removed my (personal attack) comment immediately afterwards and put my mistake in the edit box. I will try to be more calm from now on, but if YOU as an ADMINISTRATOR can't stay neutral, and only single ME out and only warn ME when there is obvious evidence of other users involved in the matter, then it is a sad day for Wikipedia --Kash 23:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

It has come to my attention that you have been making abrasive comments to and about other users again, specifically User:Aucaman. I know you don't agree with the edits that this user is making, and that you believe that he is a vandal, but that does NOT give you the right to make accusations and attacks on him. This is not for you to decide, nor is it something you should be telling everyone. More than that, this and this are blatant attacks, plain and simple. There are rules on this site, and if you want something done about a user, either go through the proper channels and keep a respectful tone or you will be blocked for your continued incivility. If Aucaman has done improper things here, he will answer for them, but NOT to you, so stop demanding that he does. --InShaneee 22:12, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Lol I almost laughed when I read this. Asking a user to comment on something he said, is personally attacking him?! "plain and simple"?? He called the founder of my country 'illetrate murderer', and I can't ask him to comment on it? I would like to stop harassing me. Clear and simple. --Kash 22:47, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Is he 'fit' to edit Iranian articles? I haven't the faintist. But that's how wikipedia works. You just hop on and start editing. No application, no grace period, and no needing to justify whether or not you 'deserve' to be here. If a user does something innapropriate, it should be reported to an admin or listed on an admin watched page. Going after the user yourself demanding answers is harrassment, and is NOT allowed. And yes, I am still assuming good faith, because that's how things work on wikipedia. If he went to my page right now and called my mother a whore, I would discipline him for it, and I would assume he was angry, but I wouldn't assume he's come to destroy the wiki. If he called George Washington an illiterate murderer? I'd tell him he's welcome to his opinion, but he'd better have good sources if he wants to say that in an actual article. This cuts both ways. There is no excuse for your vigilante vendetta. No one's doing any harrassing but you. Your tone was entirely innapropriate, and the fact remains that you will be blocked if you continue to act in this manner. --InShaneee 22:53, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I am assuming good faith, which is why I decided to give you another warning before blocking you. Just try to keep in mind, regardless of my assumptions, behavior contrary to the policies and principles of wikipedia will result in sanctioning. --InShaneee 22:59, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

This is your last warning. Making abusive acusations such as this, as well as telling another user to "Keep out of this", is wholly unnacceptable. If you talk to other users in this fashion again, you will be blocked. --InShaneee 22:08, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Salam

Hi,

I was thinking of gathering all info. relating Kurds in Syria, Iran and of course Turkiye to put into ' Kurdish Diaspora ' or like that category. So we can put all infor together. What do you think of it ?

--TuzsuzDeliBekir 16:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Iranian Wikipedians' Notice Board

Please bookmark this page, for daily updates on the status of the Iranian articles. Read notices posted by others or add your own notice by updating "Urgent view". --ManiF 15:50, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Kash

heyy...You were pretty close. Jed-dan also means "serious" in arabic. But my name actually comes from the arabic جيداً which means brilliant. ;-) Jidan 22:22, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Really??! I thought your name meant $money$! ;-)Jidan 23:23, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Iran vs. Persia

Thanks for the message. "Iran" has always been "Iran". The country was called "Persia" by foreigners, the Iranian people called their nation "Iran" and not "Fars". Take a look at these Qajar bank-notes: [1] As you can see, the country was called "Iran" way before 1936, when the Shah officially "changed" the name to "Iran". Tajik 23:16, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

"Persian Empire" is a correct name for the article, because it was an empire created and ruled by ethnic Persians. "Iran", on the other hand, is a multi-ethnical nation and a multi-ethnical name. This reminds me of the debate: "Afghanistan vs. Khorasan". Did the Afghan kings make a mistake by changing the name "Khorasan" to "Afghanistan"? Although most empires in Khorasan were ruled by kings and sultans who had their headquarters in what is now "Afghanistan", it would be wrong to call them "Afghans". They were "Khorassani" but not "Afghan" (which is a synonym for Pashtun). The same goes to "Iran" - sometimes, "Persia" is the correct word and sometimes it's "Iran". Tajik 23:25, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

RFC

Your comments were originally removed so I moved them under a new section below my own comments. You mention "users above" and "users below" which doesn't make any sense now considering that your comments were moved so you may want edit that part of your comments[2] . --ManiF 01:59, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

See this

[3]

Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Aucaman

On Aucamans RFC you have asserted that I blocked A for 3RR. This is patently wrong, as A's block log [4] shows. Would you be so kind as to correct your edit, please? William M. Connolley 22:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

User:Diyakp has asked others such as Acuman and Heja to attack the Balouch page

User:Diyako pushes the ISraeli policy on all Middle East related articles. Saying Kurds and Jews are one becuase of Israeli interests in Norther Iraq and attempts to make all minorities in Iran seem un-Iranian. He has forced the definition of Iranian to only mean lingustic which is untrue becuase it is an ethno-lingustic one. He is now on Iraq. His parterns have worked heavily on Khuzistan trying to say Arab Iranians want independence when in reality they fought for Iran's defence more than anyone in the Iran-Iraq war even when Saddam propagated Pan-Arab idelology to them. These group of editors such as Acuman are very, very sneaky. If you go the archives of the Kurdish articles and read them all you will get a good clue and read their personal discussions. They are tring to balknaize Iran. 69.196.139.250 02:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Salam Khashayar

Kam peydaei, mitoni biaei online dou daghieh. --ManiF 11:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Khashayar, yek sar bia online. --ManiF 11:16, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Aucaman

Yeah, he got warned about it here, so the next time he makes a personal attack I suggest you talk to that Chick Bowen guy. It also looks like User:Cool Cat has some evidence against Aucaman. Try talking to him. --Khoikhoi 03:52, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

What you should understand about admins

In order to best proceed, you need to understand our role as administrators. Our job is to enforce the policy, and that is all we have the power to do. When you say, "Aucaman is a bad editor," there is nothing we can do about that. Our primary goal as administrators is to keep the project going, which means enforcing the policies. It is therefore in your best interest to learn the policies here, not only so that you can be sure to follow them yourself, but so that you know when other people—both those you agree and disagree with—are breaking them. Then, when others violate policies, you should remind them of the rules that we all must follow, and if they continue to ignore the policies, rather than demanding they apologize, you should contact an administrator. I completely understand that what Aucaman said was offensive to you. I would be similarly offended if someone said such things about the founders of my country. And I believe Aucaman also understands that he offended you. You cannot force him to apologize, however, and as you have seen, trying to do so will only get administrators warning you, not him. Instead, if he violates any of Wikipedia's policies again, tell him the policies he has violated, and tell an admin he has done so.

I recommend you familiarize yourself with:

• The three-revert rule;
• The policies about civility; and
• The policies against personal attacks.

These seem to be the policies that are at risk in this conflict. These policies are pillars of Wikipedia, and need to be kept strong, so make sure you follow them, and make sure others do as well.

Now, as for User:InShaneee: you have to understand that, while you perceive his actions as being divided down Iranian/anti-Iranian lines, that's not how he's seeing the situation. What he sees is a user who is being constantly prodded by other users, in possible violation of Wikipedia policies. He's not thinking about it in terms of race or nationality at all; he's simply looking out for Wikipedia policies. If you are wronged in the future, I assure you that he will come to your aid without hesitation. The best and only way through here is to trust me, and to trust administrators like InShaneee. He and I, and probably any other admins involved are not experts on the history and culture of Iran, and in a way, this is a good thing. We are not going to judge the content of the articles on these topics. We are not going to say "user A is right, user B is wrong." Most administrators who might get involved here are going to rely on editors who know more than we about the topic to do so. What we administrators can do is make sure everyone is following the policies of Wikipedia from now on. All you have to do is let us know about future incidents of policy breach, and we can assist in keeping things calm and productive. If you have any questions about this, or how to proceed, please let me know. JDoorjam Talk 01:47, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I apologize; my comment on the Incidents board was premature, and I have removed it. Please feel free to add additional comments there. I had only put that up to let people konw that the matter had not been dropped, but by all means, continue this discussion in that forum. What I am trying to convey is that I and other administrators are ready to help in issues where Wikipedia policies are broken, but, speaking for myself, I know so little about the Middle East in general and Iran in particular that I am unable to do anything but sanction users whose conduct goes against policies. I am unable to say "this is a fact, this is a falsity" when it comes to the actual article content. Please understand that I am doing what I can to keep this matter civil and within the established rules, but I am slowed by my lack of expertise in this field. JDoorjam Talk 02:37, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Your perspective

Khashayar, I've taken the question of InShaneee's neutrality or lack thereof, to another administrator [5] as a first step before filing an official complaint, if needed. You can share your own experience, and lend a helpful perspective given that you've been involved in all of this. --ManiF 10:26, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

My experience was posted above yours earlier --Kash 13:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I repeat again the persian version is full of mistake. I did not involve in it till now. I suggest you have a look at that instead of the Kurdish Newroz.Diyako Talk + 16:00, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Why are you telling me? if you have any problems with that article then go and do something about it. Don't come and tell me! --Kash 16:02, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Norouzat Pirooz

Dear Kash. Thank you for the essage. I will reply you at the relevant talk page. Khoda hafez va Norouzat Pirooz. Bertilvidet 16:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I mean of course message ;-) Bertilvidet 16:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

The pictures are from a Newroz celebaration, but these tend to turn quite political among Kurds in Turkey - and resemble thus a rally/demonstration (which is the reason that I argue for a raison d'être of kurdish neworz)...so the distinction is not clear cut. The yellow flags are the symbol of Democratic Society Party. all the best Bertilvidet 23:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Once again, thank you for the message. I appreciate you style of debate and that you want to avoid pouring more fuel on the fire! I am not sure if I understand exactly what is not mentioned in the article. I wrote this part: " Newroz is however still considered as a potent symbol of Kurdish identity in Turkey. Newroz celebrations are usually organised by Kurdish cultural associations and pro-Kurdish political parties. Thus, the Democratic Society Party was a leading force in the organisation of the 2006 Newroz events throughout Turkey." which I find very essential for understanding the Kurdish Newroz celebration. Bertilvidet 00:16, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Sure you may I ask, and I will even answer. I am not a Kurd....I am a European interested in Turkish politics, and this is how I got interested in the Newroz issue. I dont have much more knowledge about the history of Newroz than what I can read on Wiki. But I have realized that Newroz celebrations is of huge importance for the identity of Kurds (at least in Turkey). Bertilvidet 00:50, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Norouz

I say merge the articles, but change the intro of the Norouz article to make it acceptable to all people that celebrate the holiday. --Khoikhoi 20:56, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

You've got mail. :) --Khoikhoi 01:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

And again! --Khoikhoi 01:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Mail call. --Khoikhoi 03:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

User:Diyako is trying to make an alternative ficticious definition of Newroz

User:Diyako has created an article on a Turkic-Nowruz without mention of its Iranian history and roots. Soon we will here Nowruz has nothing to do with Iran too. His article is Nevruz. This should be merged or edited properly. He has gone on the Turkish discussions to promote it.

Here is what user:Diyako has written;

Nevruz is the spring festival among Turkic-speaking nations, from Turkey to Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan etc. It is very similar to the Iranian festival of Norouz.

According to Turkish legends Nevruz dates back to era of Gökturks.

Th user Diyako is definnityl anti-Iranian and has an anti-Iranian agenda.

Nevruz is not very similar to the Irnian festival of Norouz it is Norouz!

He has claimed the Kurdish flag has nothing to do with Iran and is a crime to fly in Iran. The Kurdish flag is based on the Iranian flag it is even in the memories of the founders of the Mehbad Republic who wanted to showcase their Aryan and Mede heritage. Back then Kurds only had a oral history about their only know ancestors the Mede and Mede heritage, before other ancestors were accepted. The Sun is also very significant element of ancient Iranian and Zorasatrianism. Diyako is misleading everyone. Go to Kurdistan 20 years ago let alone 50 they will say we are Aryans and our own blood relatives are the Persians. The Kurdish flag is not banned in Iran and is based on Iranian colours. This user also claims the Iranians are only a lingustic group after he saw that the tide was against him that Kurds are in definition an Iranian people so he worked to undermine the definition of Iranian people and even Persians with user:Acuman.

69.196.139.250 21:24, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, even though there have been warnings made about the provocative term of Farsi and its offensive conotations he is intitionally using the term to upset users and saying Iranians wikis are unreliable and making attcks on the community. See his talk page. 69.196.139.250 22:49, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Hi Kash. Zereshk and I were thinking of AfDing the articles. I'd prefer it if he do it, because he would be able to convince everyone that the holidays are the same. We'll see what happens however. By the way check your email. --Khoikhoi 01:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Newroz and Diyako

From what I can tell, it appears to be a (rather lengthy) summary of the film (rather that a review), and since it seems to be a documentary/nonfiction film, it could be useful to the page. While I'm here, I also figured you might want to know that the page doesn't need the 'current event' tag, since it discusses the festival as a whole, rather than once specific celebration. --InShaneee 02:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Har Roozetan Norouz, Norouzetan Pirooz هر روزتا ن نوروز , نوروزتان پيروز . Amir85 13:11, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

You are needed!

Dear Khashayar. Your pragmatic approach is indeed needed in the efforts to reach a compromise in the Norouz/Newroz debate. Today it went bananas with one editor unilateraly merging the Newroz article into Norouz, without transfering the text on the Kurdish Newroz and without participating in debate (except labeling his oponents as idiots and vandals). I have suggested a compromise - renaming the current Newroz article to "Kurdish Newroz celebrations". Could you accept that? Bertilvidet 16:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Newroz again

I am glad that we agree on the relevance of Kurdish Newroz. AFAIK Newroz is important also for Kurds in Syria, but because of the incredible harsh repression (see Kurds_of_Syria) I guess they dont dare to do much. Among the Kurdish diaspora in Europe (I know personally from Denmark and Sweden) Newroz is the big event. I am dont know about the situation in Iraq or Iran - my knowledge is about the situation in Turkey, and I will not claim to generalize that.

Being denied you identity is often seen as an insult. Danes get insulted if you say they basically are Germans, and you would probably not be happy if someone says you basically are an Arab. Bertilvidet 22:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Arbcom

Sorry for doing this on Norouz, but I've named you as a potential party in the Aucaman Arbcom case. Please see WP:RFAR. Thank you, --Lukas ^(T.|@) 10:58, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Your questions: 1) The answer is concisely summed up here: [6]. That's all to it, really. 2) I don't think there's a fixed deadline, usually Arbcom waits for about a week or so until they start deliberating, AFAIK. You can still submit evidence later at any time. You might want to ask for a longer time because of your holiday, perhaps. 3) No. 4) No. 5) No. But your suspicion is symptomatic. Let me assure you I don't care the least bit about Iran, either way. --Lukas ^(T.|@) 11:28, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Kash, I received a similar message from User:LukasPietsch, I suggest that you consult with the advocate before getting involved. --ManiF 12:20, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard.

Dear Khashayar.

What do want from this Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Diyako?? The debate yesterday was heated; Diyako said stupid things - that he afterwards have regretted, but also other editors used a bad language. You actually seemed to be one of the only ones able to keep the cool. I thought we agreed that the Kurdish Newroz celebration deserves an article - it doesnt so less

The Kurdish Newroz celebrations are politisized, and resemble thus a rally. But I dont believe this should make it less relevant. I dont agree that it is just a rally, as you attribute me to have admitted.

All the best Bertilvidet 13:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Kash, the only think I want, is to understand what your end is with this step. I believe its best to solve our problems without involving admins as long as possible. From the discussions I have seen you been involved in, there is no what so ever argument for blocking you. On the contrary I appreciate your ability to keep cool during a heated debate. Bertilvidet 09:46, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

BTW, wouldn't you weigh in at Talk:Norouz#Possible_version_for_Norouz? It seems that we have a broad reaching compromise. Bertilvidet 10:49, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

InShaneee

Where did he threaten to block you? And what exactly did you say to provoke a reaction? Can you show me the page differences where this occurred? JDoorjam Talk 23:49, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Re your protests to JDoorjam ([7]), I'd appreciate it if you didn't speak on my behalf about what I do and what I don't find abusive. - In fact, it was an attack, against the integrity of my motives in this dispute, no less. Although I wouldn't have complained, as I've seen worse, and I'd rather you display your mentality openly than not. (Posted this at User talk:JDoorjam too, for his information.) Lukas ^(T.|@) 08:26, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

HAPPY NEW YEAR

Diyako Talk + 10:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Aucaman

He's hardly "out of control". I'm not going to block him right after I just warned him (and he seems to be taking these warnings to heart), and I'd suggest you stop going around 'recommending' what to do about him. --InShaneee 22:12, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

If you think he's being incivil, you're going to have to show me specifically what you're talking about. Additionally, considering all that's been going on in this debate, I think he's perfectly within his rights to ignore any 'warnings' from you. --InShaneee 22:19, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish people

It looks like things are getting a little crazy, so I'm going to protect the page for a day or two so everyone can calm down a bit, and hopefully consensus about those links (which are completely valid, IMHO), can become a little clearer. --InShaneee 23:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and in case you didn't know, make sure to let me know when things have calmed down on this page. If it looks like cooler heads are prevailing, I'll go ahead and unprotect it. --InShaneee 01:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

My RFA

	Thank you! Thank you for supporting / opposing / vandalising my RFA! The result was 71/3/0 and so I am now still a normal user / an administrator / indefinitely banned. Your constructive criticism / support / foulmouthed abuse has given me something to think about / helped me immensely / turned me into a nervous wreck. If there's any way I can help you in return, please ask someone else / suffer and die / drop me a line! --Sam Blanning (formerly Malthusian) (talk) 19:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Dear Mr Blanning, thank you for choosing the ACME Auto-thanker! Simply strike out the phrases that do not apply and tear off this strip at the indicated line to give all your supporters and detractors the personalised response they so richly deserve. N.B: DO NOT FORGET TO TEAR THIS BIT OFF, MORON!

Diyako

If your info is sourced, simply demonstrate that. I will warn him about using Arabic. I don't know if that's actually breaking any rule, but it is generally considered bad ettiquitte. As for whether he's violating WP:POINT? Honestly, I don't know, and I think I'd rather let the ArbCom sort that out. However, if they accept the case and you think it is still a problem, you could always request an 'emergency injunction' against him. --InShaneee 01:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Keep it civil. He may not need to expect 'kisses', but he shouldn't have to expect insults, either. --InShaneee 01:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

While his first usage was innapropriate, honestly, I think this more recent time it could just be an honest question, though one with questionable relation to the discussion at hand. I will leave him a note about it, though. --InShaneee 01:37, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Photo

Hello Kash.

Thank you so much for the nice comment about my photo. That was flattering! No, I am not a professional photographer - if I was would undermine my income by uploading the photos to the public domain ;-) Bertilvidet 09:59, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Then I recommend you to go out and shoot more. With Wikipedia we suddenly have a global audience - and many articles could be far more digestible with relevant illustrations! Bertilvidet 13:54, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Selam

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Kurdistan

Syrian Kurdistan article was recently deleted and redirected to Kurds in Syria, same should be done with other similar articles, this also concerns Iranian Kurdistan article. Also please spread the word to those who would want to have a say in this.--Kagan the Barbarian 10:30, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks

I give you this barnstar, for your random acts of kindness. :) --Khoikhoi 20:28, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Kash! Just thought I'd give you one in return. --Khoikhoi 20:28, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Aucaman and Xebat

Aucaman hasn't called anyone a 'nationalist' for a while now, for one thing (which I think is a good thing on his part). And he wasn't calling anyone a 'devil' (if you read the bottom part of Devil's Advocate, the term simply refers to someone advocating a position they do not themselves support simply for the sake of argument. Not nearly as nasty a term as it sounds). And really, what does it matter to Wikipedia if he doesn't refer to himself as iranian (which I don't think is even the issue in the comment you showed me, rather, I think he was arguing your usage of the term, as he often does)? As long as he's following our policies, he can call himself an Ancient Mesopotamian, if he'd like. As Xebat's nomination of that page for AfD, that was HIGHLY innapropriate, but he did consent to that and remove it later, so I will assume good faith about that. --InShaneee 20:25, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Warning

removin valid and sourced texts from wikipedia pages

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aryan&diff=45660659&oldid=45638773

• 1- You can't just give "last warning", you have to start from the begining!
• 2- Correct spelling comes useful when you want to sound Authorative, e.g. "removing" not "removin"
• 3- You can't use two accounts at the same time, you should merge them. Try Wikipedia:Changing username
• 4- You should sign your 'warnings'.

ps. Hey, I asked what your new name means! --Kash 04:48, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Iranian peoples

Hi, Kash. I'm not sure what you mean. The term "Iranian peoples" is plural, referring to all the Iranian ethnic groups which are, of course, related. Do you have a better wording? It's important that the wording be as accurate as possible so that others cannot claim that "Iranian peoples" do not constitute a "single" ethnic group - which is totally false, since "Iranian peoples" refers to many groups related to each other. BTW, if you could pay a visit to your university library and find additional references that would be perfect. SouthernComfort 04:55, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I sent you an email. SouthernComfort 05:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

3RR violation at Kurdish people

Hi, you violated the three-revert rule on Kurdish people. I have disabled your editing permissions for 24 hours. Please read our guide on dispute resolution during the time you are unable to contribute to Wikipedia. Feel free to return after your block expires, but take your differences to the talk page and please refrain from edit warring. Cheers, —Ruud 12:42, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Norouz

This does back up my idea that the Kurds in northern Iraq celebrate Norouz instead of "Newruz".. I don't think there is any reason to find support for Iranian Kurds as all the country celebrate Norouz including the Kurds. This should pretty much mean that there is no need to generalise the whole Newroz or Newruz to be a "Kurd" thing. What do you think?--Kash 14:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Dear Kash, first of all sorry for delaying so long in answering you. I simply dont have any ready answer, so I thought I needed to reflect - but still I am not sure what to say...The Kurds in Turkey use the Latin alphabet, and in their language the celebration is "Newroz" (whereas it is Nevruz in Turkish). The Kurds in Iraq and Syria use however the Arabic alphabet - so spellings from these countries do hardly anymore than transliterate the word. Despite this a Google search for "Newroz Iraq" and "Norouz Iraq" gives the impression that the Kurds in Iraq tend to spell it Newroz (when Latin letters are used). So my impression is that the Newroz spelling rather is a Kurdish thing.

I deleted the sentence that used your source. The sentence gave the impression that Newroz and Norouz are two seperate things, and that you choose which one to celebrate. I dont think thats what you mean (?) and indeed it wasnt substained by the article. Let me know if you disagree. Bertilvidet 13:42, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I just realize that you are blocked. If you disagree about my edit on the Kurdish Newroz celebration page, please let me know per email and I will revert my self ASAP, and continue the discussion when you are unblocked. Bertilvidet 16:15, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I was blocked because apparently defending an article from attacks on Wikipedia is considered to be unethnical. I have no problem with your edits on the Nowruz celebration article, (for now!) :) --Kash 16:20, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks!

Hey Kash, I'd really like thank you for taking the time to vote at my RfA. I withdrew due to certain controversies, but I appreciated your vote and hope to see you here in the future. Thanks again. --Khoikhoi 05:15, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Hurriyya notice board

I couldn't agree with you more about this page. I've listed it on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion, we'll see how things go from there. --InShaneee 04:18, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish Cat

Hey. Whats the deal with all these cats e.g. Kurdish cuisine does every single Kurd article deserve a category!? --Kash 23:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Categories ment to be navigation aids. Yes all kurdish related articles may have a category. I object the usage of Kurdistan on random provinces of choice of a random wikipedia editor who doesn't even necesarily know english (Muhamed case). --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 06:22, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

provocative?

Dude I took out the sentence about Kurds having fought sumerian etc. Please man why did you put it back on didnt you read my argument in the talk section?

at least challenge it there first?--Loosekarma 12:46, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Source

Amir, Kash, SC, ManiF,

I have access to an online e-book library. It has some of the books that are listed as reference on Iranian related pages. If any of you are interested, email me, I'll hook you up with the password and all.--Zereshk 02:26, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

If youre gonna get the Dehkhoda dictionary, get the Tehran University Press CD. It has copy/paste capabilities. I think the latest version is 3.0. (as you probably know, the dictionary is something like 20 volumes. So the cd is the only way to go).--Zereshk 21:04, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Geber

Why are you adding Arab categories to Geber? His ethnicity is unclear, see talk:Geber. --ManiF 17:22, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Aryanem Vijae

Which article are u referring to? The AV article, or the Greater Iran one? And Im not sure I follow you. Are you contending the existence of Aryanem Viaje?

At any rate, the Greater Iran article is unfinished. It still needs lotsa work. I have lots of data to add to it, once I get the time.--Zereshk 23:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see your point now. If I said such a thing, we'll have to fix it then. One book I'm using claims it was around Khwarazm. We'll just quote sources as we gradually come across them.

I'm still waiting for Frye's Greater Iran book I ordered last week. I hope it is worth the 40$ I spent. Right now Im investigating the claim that Hephaestion (Alexander's gay lover) is buried in Hamedan, and that the lion statue here is actually his tomb. I love these little bitty factoids I keep discovering by chance. They give so much flavor to the articles. --Zereshk 23:29, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Youre right. We can never prove anything of course. But just putting up such articles with references to sources for the genral populace has huge benefits. From what Ive heard, Wikipedia gets around 2-3 billion visiotrs every month, exceeding the NY Times. And Ive seen how the material on WP ends up in places the least one expects. See for example, this poster here used for the NY Persian Arts Festival? The picture on it comes from the picture I uploaded a while ago, which appears on the main Iran page. (Im sure of this because of the cut, resolution, and selection of the painting's figures; the painting is actually much bigger, and I did a lot of Photoshop editing on it to enhance the faded colors from the painting).

But hey, what do I care if WP articles and images are used and copied left and right? Che behtar! That's why we're here anyway: for the gostaresh e farhang e Iran.--Zereshk 23:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

If you do get that Dehkhoda CD, let me know. Im having trouble copying and pasting stuff out of it into a text file. The font keeps jumbling and messing up. I think my pc has trouble recognizing the font (Iran System). I'd be interested if you figure out or get it to work on your pc. Thanx.

My RfA

Hi Khashayar Karimi. Just a quick note to thank you for your support in my RfA, which recently passed 62/13/6. I will do my very best live up to this new responsibility and to serve the community, but please let me know if I make any mistakes or if you have any feedback at all on my actions. Finally, if there is anything that I can assist you with - please don't hesitate to ask. Cheers TigerShark 03:56, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Proud Iranian

Well I have no idea about that, no body cares about ((|)) < this logo ... it's important to show the proud ... anyway, I change it to Iran's map ...

Xebat

Yes, I did take note of his comments following his block, but since he removed them from his main talk page, I'll leave that alone. Rest assured, after such blatant racist attacks (and lack of meaningful contribution) that he will be blocked once again should he continue with this behavior when (if) he returns. --InShaneee 18:44, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

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Good faith?

Dear kash, Im trying always to assume good faith. But renaming List of Arab scientists and scholars to Muslim, while leaving List of Iranian scientists and scholars without renaming is simply not good faith. Jidan 23:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a democracy. And you still haven't anserwered my question: Why renaming List of Arab scientists and scholars to Muslim, while leaving List of Iranian scientists and scholars without renaming ? Jidan 23:24, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

- I moved the topic as the consensus was reached. You did not vote in time for the consensus so your "conditions" were not part of the move. If you have further comments leave it in the article's talk page and I am sure it will be resolved. --Kash 23:26, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The move

Hi Kash,

I don't think it was a good idea to move the page so soon. Usually when we have things like this we should wait a day or two. I also don't think the consensus on the talk page was fair because all the people that voted support were Iranian. Just give it some more time, things haven't even been resolved yet. --Khoikhoi 00:24, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

However, the conflict is far from over. Please get InShaneee or some other admin to move the page back for now. I think you rushed it too much. --Khoikhoi 18:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I'm just saying, next time we get into a similar conflict, please don't rush page moves like that. --Khoikhoi 19:00, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I'm moving it back for the time being. 18 hours is not enough time for a proper discussion by any standard. --InShaneee 01:26, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Lukas

Firstly, there's no need to quote policy back to me, and I consider it demeaning. Secondly, considering your wide catalouge of personal attacks and incivility, I think Lukas has every right in the world to suggest that ArbCom may want to look at your conduct (as well as that of others involved in this matter). He's not singling you out, anyway, he's saying that this needs to be examined at a broader perspective. --InShaneee 19:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

And for the last time, please, don't respond to other user's comments on my talk page. They've got every right to use it in such a way, and if they make baseless acusations, I'll see that when I check them out and ignore them. --InShaneee 19:28, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not taking sides, and I won't warn you again not to make such accusations. If don't like my handling of situations, than don't present them to me. --InShaneee 19:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

While I appreciate your effort, you have made several questionable edits in the last few weeks (as have been reported to me repeatly), which is what is considered rather than 'effort'. --InShaneee 19:45, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

My first question would be how many times do I have to ask you to stop responding to other people's comments on my talk page before you take it to heart? --InShaneee 00:31, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Aucaman (again)

This is harrassment. If Aucaman believes that your behavior is innapropriate, than reporting it to an admin (such as myself) is EXACTLY what he should be doing. If he's incorrect, I'll let him know. Also, vandalism templates are generally only used for new users. If you believe he has done something wrong, than you should explain it to him, rather than just dropping a warning. --InShaneee 23:09, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Question

Hey. Did you ever get your rollback to work? --Khoikhoi 23:51, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I see. You should try it out on this. :) --Khoikhoi 23:56, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Hahahaha. Life is grand. ;) --Khoikhoi 00:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, my friend. --Khoikhoi 17:41, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

The ArbCom's not over yet, let's wait to see what the final decision is. Also, it looks like Aucaman is going to be limited to the "1-revert-per-Iranian-related article-per-day" rule, so it's not going to be as huge of a problem as it was before. --Khoikhoi 19:04, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure when it ends, but it's looking very bright, 3 people signed on for Aucaman's revert parole. --Khoikhoi 19:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I think so. Nevertheless, it still looks bright. --Khoikhoi 19:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Naw man - it's raining over here. :p --Khoikhoi 19:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's called Northern California. You really do think California is always sunny, don't you? ;) --Khoikhoi 19:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Piroz et al

I'll see what I can find. Have you checked the sources given on the Iran-China relations article?

As for the nuke announcement, I think the nuclear claim they made is a bluff. Theyve exaggerated (as usual) from what I can see. From what I know of Iran, they cant maintain a closed cycle on their own (yet). They are still using 1950s era accelerators to produce radioisotopes in Amir abad. The accelerators are so old that it still uses vacuum tube electronics (!).

But then again, I could be wrong.--Zereshk 02:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Community Justice

Welcome to Community Justice. Please take part in the meeting. Computerjoe's talk 08:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Azerbaijan

Please look at [8]. Bidabadi 11:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Links

Hi, Thanks for the links. I'll check them out and get back to you.Heja Helweda 16:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, I listened to both audio files carefully.

1) In the persian file, he is saying that he likes Zoroastrianism, though he is not practicing. Behdini, is a word which may refer to Zoroasteriansim (Zaban e Behdini). He claims that Behdini is an authentic Zoroasterian language Zaban e Zartoshti ye Asil and then he says the religion is important to him (probably because of historical issues with Behdinan and all that). So he feels an affinity toward Zoroastriansim. But when he says There is no Kurd that is not Zoroastrian, that's a big exaggeration and wrong. Kurds are mainly Sunni muslims (Shafi'i) with Shia/Yezidi/Jew minorities. Moreover, Behdini is a sub-dialect of Kurmanji, which is not Zoroasterian language. Avesta and other Zoroasterian material have been written in Avestan ( an eastern Iranian language), while Kurdish (and Behdini) is a north-western one. So on this he is making some claims without evidence.

I think he was not able to convey his thoughts clearly due to the language barrier (though his persian was not that bad). There are many Kurds who feel that Zoroastrianism is an important part of their heritage, but that does not mean they are actually Zoroastrian.

2)In his Kurdish file, he never says that he is Zoroastrian. He mainly talks about Behdini and the region of Behdinan/Badinan in Iraqi Kurdistan. In fact, I have heard that some people say the word Behdinan comes from the period in which people in the region were adherents of Zoroasterianism, but the existing population is not Zoroasterian now. People of Zaxo and Badinan/Behdinan are Sunni (Shafi'i).

3) On religion, there are two different issues. The first issue is whether the people of a region follow a certain faith or not. This comes from tradition and family. Zoroasterianism in this sense does not exist among Kurds, i.e., it is not passed on through the family. The second issue is whether there is one single adherent of a particular faith among a certain population group. This one does not necessarily come from tradition and family. A person in Tehran can always convert (at least personally) to Buddhism, while his family may be Shia. But this certainly does not imply that his family is Buddhist or in general Persians/Iranians are Buddhist, since there is no Buddhist tradition among Iranians.

4) The most important issue: In an encyclopaedia information should be based on neutral sources not individual claims. If you provide an academic source showing that there are Zoroastrians among Kurds, that should be included. But If I as a non-academic individual claim something about a whole population, how can you make sure that I am telling the truth? So If you have academic info. on Zoroastrian Kurds you're welcome to include it. Heja Helweda 01:17, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey Kash,

I think we should let the paragraph stay for now, and try to improve it best we can instead of deleting it. If it's inaccurate, we should fix those inaccuracies. --Khoikhoi 02:07, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Persian Gulf

Don't screw with other users' comments. Aucaman is right, in this instance, he posted first, so it just confuses everyone if you try to put your comment between his and the thing he was replying to. Also, this is another one of those cases where you ought to be more careful how you revert as vandalism. --InShaneee 17:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of your reasoning, it's not appropriate to place your response to a comment higher than someone else's who has already responded. Please do not do it again in the future. --InShaneee 22:14, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

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