Talk:Karl Benz

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[edit] Trivia section

Trivia sections on Wikipedia are considered very bad form. All imformation within this section should be dispersed to apropriate places within the article. --The_stuart 18:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

  1. There is no evidence that Karl Benz and Gottlieb Daimler knew about each other's earliest achievements. They both were working independently toward the same invention. The first Benz of 1885 and the Daimler Stahlradwagen of 1889 both borrowed from bicycle technology. Daimler used the hollow tubes of the frame of the 1889 car as a mechanism for cooling the car: water flowed through them. The early Peugeots, fitted with Panhard-built Daimler engines, used the technology of the 1889 Stahlradwagen.
  2. Benz's last home, at Ladenburg, is used as the headquarters of the Gottlieb Daimler & Karl Benz Foundation, with many annual events held there.
  3. Karl vs. Carl: Two spellings of Benz's first name can be found in places or institutions named after him. All of the official municipal registries show, Karl, such as on Benz's birth registration, his entry to the Polytechnikum, and his first patent (1879). At the end of the 19th century, however, the French spelling of names came into fashion in Germany and it seems that even Benz began to use, Carl, as seen in his 1882 patent or the Ladenburg company Benz Sons. At least, it was recorded as such—so Benz may have used both forms—or, perhaps the entries were made by others following the vogue. The German Orthographic Reform of 1901 generally replaced use of the French spelling, Carl, with the former German spelling convention, Karl, and DaimlerChrysler has adopted the use of the birth name spelling, using Karl Benz.
  4. There are several Carl Benz schools throughout Germany, among which are two professional training schools at Mannheim and Koblenz, two high schools at Ladenburg and Berlin, as well as several primary schools, many of those found in the region of Karlsruhe and at Stuttgart, cf. a google search for "Carl Benz Schule".
  5. Karl Benz's great great grandson Marco Benz enlisted in the United States military.[1]

Do we really need all these years Wikified? It seems sensible to link anybody's birth & death date, since if they're in Wikipedia, their birth & death is at least a little significant. Also important are the dates of anything that has made the person significant, such as of Benz's invention. But the relatively unimportant dates of his marriage and his retirement seem bad candidates for Wikification to me. Marriages are generally only signficant (for the rest of us) when dynasties are involved. BTW, I'm thinking primarily of making the "What Links Here?" pages for years more useful. -- Hotlorp

What's the harm? That's why I put them in, to make "What links here" more useful. I imagine someday someone will want to create a timeline and the data will be there. In the meantime, it's interesting to see what else was going on at the time that Marcel Duchamp hung the urinal on the gallery wall or Mr. Daimler met Mr. Benz. And, to be able to do so either from the Karl Benz page or from the 1926 page. Ortolan88 07:31 Jul 30, 2002 (PDT)

But both your examples (Duchamp, Benz meets Daimler) meet my criterion of being important events, or events which turned out to have major consequences, for the rest of us, not just for the individual. You neglected to opine on the two examples I cited. There seems to me to be a distinction we can draw, linking only those dates which have significance beyond the page they're described on.

Basically, I can't see how the "What Links Here" pages for years are more useful if absolutely every mention of that year links there. It seems you want to ignore a useful distinction most Wiki editors can draw between the significant and the trivial. -- Hotlorp

I'll try not to be compulsive about it, but I generally think, the more links, the merrier. Regards, Ortolan88

Apologies for the tone of my previous message. (I should note that part of my objection to having everything linked is typographic -- it's distracting to have too many links in a text intended to be read.) I think the way I decide what to link is to avoid occasions for "overly casual" clicking around the encyclopedia, where there isn't a good reason for putting what's mentioned into context, or going into any more detail on that particular subject would not enhance one's understanding of that topic. Of course this is highly subjective. We all do this to some extent, working out a position some way inside the extreme of having every word linked (for example to a dictionary definition). -- Hotlorp

I guess it depends on the wiki skin and settings, and the browser (stopped using Opera for ugliness issues) but I don't find the links obtrusive; usually they reassure me that the article I'm reading is wired in to the rest of the encyclopedia. On the other hand, after a long night at this, when I'm reading in bed, sometimes individual words in my book appear in blue, making me want to click on them! Ortolan88

Daimler and Benz never met each other personally, i recommend the german wikipedia sites. (Maybach and Daimler work together.) Benny

Forget names, look at all the other crap that is linked. Water? Address? New Years Eve? If that isn't overkill I don't knwo what is. TastyCakes 06:27, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carl or Karl?

Is it Karl or Carl, officially? I ask as the Foundation named for him is spelt with a K. Stombs 22:38, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

The German wikipedia article states that he changed his name from Karl to Carl later in his life. Thus Carl should IMHO be the better choice. andy 21:16, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I also knew him rather as "Carl". Shouldn't we make the move? — MFH:Talk 17:03, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
consider also 30 000 google hits for "Carl Benz Schule" vs. 39 google hits for "Karl Benz Schule"... I strongly suggest a move, and at least a modification of the first line of the article. — MFH:Talk 20:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fixing this page

It's pretty obvious a lot has been lost in the translation of this page. There's a lot of stuff that doesn't make any sense, and even more stuff that is understandable but really bad english. I went through and fixed most of it but then the stupid thing didn't save. Could someone try and fix it up some? TastyCakes 06:22, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

lol Some Shakespeare genius have been around here this weekend. --Zzzzzzus 12:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)zzzzzzus

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Today I tackled most of the article to take the translations from German into better English and shifted a few things around to make the article read better. I will come back to touch up during the next week. --- kb 2006.03.19

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[edit] Facts about Karl Benz

[edit] Benz unit

I was to add a note about the Benz unit, but neither it's page nor metre per second have enough information to justify a whole new section. I also couldn't add it on the other sections, which are about his companies history. Anyone know when did the SI comitee named m/s after him? 200.193.98.181 01:45, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

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