Talk:Kangaroo route

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Comment: Austrian Airlines also flies this route VIE-SIN-MEL and VIE-KUL-SYD —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.73.98.91 (talk • contribs) 2006-01-02.

Added --kjd 17:56, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Qatar Airways does not actually fly to Melbourne yet. Thai Airways is listed both in the table and afterwards, and why is only Auckland listed as a Malaysia Airlines destination? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.129.51.96 (talk • contribs) 2006-04-15.

Comment: I suggest Qatar Airways be deleted from the list. They do not actually fly to Melbourne. Objections? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.129.37.5 (talk • contribs) 2006-05-15.

Comment: Should that footnote thing be added for Gulf Air? Their flights go via Singapore as well as Bahrain. Emirates also has stopovers in Australia (for NZ destinations) and South East asia on the way to Dubai for Australian destinations. Nice is served via Rome. Or have I totally misunderstood the point of the footnote. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.129.37.5 (talk • contribs) 2006-05-15.

Comment: Which airport does VN, JL, KE, SQ, MU, TG, CA and Emirates fly to in Moscow? Domodevo or SVO ? KK kap 13:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consistency

Why is London listed as London Heathrow, yet the other cities not by airport names? Other cities in the table have multiple international airports - so I don't understand the distinction for London. The table should be consistent one way or the other. --kjd 17:56, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] clean-up: any preferences?

This article needs a bit of a clean up as noted by Kjd and anon poster. There are a number of duplications but, more importantly, why do we have both a list and a table? Surely it's much better to have just one. I'd go for the list, I'll change it all soon (when I get a chance, do it yourself if you fancy it). Anyone any preferences for how to format it? Iancaddy 23:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I merged these all into the one table last week. Still needs checking and verifying though. — User:Donama 13:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Exact Definition of Kangaroo Route

I'm not sure if United Airlines' Sydney-Los Angeles/San Francisco-London services and Air New Zealand's Auckland-Los Angeles-London flight should be listed here. I've always thought that Kangaroo Route flights are specifically those that go via the Eastern hemisphere. If United is included, then Air Canada, LAN and Aerolineas Argentinas should be too.

-QFlyer 11:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Austrian Airlines

Austrian's Routes to Sydney and Melbourne are going be suspended from March 2007 [1])

Where would this go in the table? Nicko6 07:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry folks, but this definition of the Kangaroo Route is incorrect.

The term was coined by QANTAS after the war and had NOTHING to do with the number of hops that it took to get from Australia to Britain, or vice-versa. It had EVERYTHING to do with the fact that it was promoting an Australian airline and a service from/to Australia. The flying kangaroo symbol on the tail of the aircraft, and the name "Kangaroo Route", identified it to the world that it was Australian. It has no legitimate connection with any other airline and as far as I can determine the name belongs to QANTAS.

In additon, the term "Kangaroo Route" ONLY applies to the route Between Australia and Britain via Asia and Europe; it does NOT refer to the route across the Pacific Ocean to North America. This was referred to as the "Southern Cross Route", coined by the Australian airline which inaugurated the service and who operated it prior to QANTAS taking it over - British Commonwealth Pacific Airlines (BCPA).

With regards to the "ownership" of the phrase by Qantas, I would love to see any sources supporting this viewpoint?--Huaiwei 15:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] One-aircraft service

I think that we definitely need a separete table for the REAL Kangaroo Route services - that is services between Australia/NZ and Britain with the SAME aircraft, NOT involving a change of planes. This would mean only BA, Virgin, Qantas and Air New Zealand. Only on these airlines the terminus of the flight that you board in Britain is actually in Australia/NZ and vv. FlyerBoy 07:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree Quaidy 23:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Find us any reputable source which actually defines a "real" kangaroo route versus a "fake" one.--Huaiwei 01:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Well how about editing the table so that there are separete colums for "Stopover" and "Change of aircraft"? Since right now the table does not give you the information if you have change planes enroute or not. FlyerBoy 07:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there any compelling reason for this distinction?--Huaiwei 12:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
You don't find it any different when the sign board at Sydney airport says "Singapore" or "London via Singapore"? In my opinion only the latter one is a true Kangaroo route. FlyerBoy 11:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
But that is precisely the point. It is your opinion, which is not what wikipedia is about.--Huaiwei 13:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Well I don't think that there's much of a difference. After all the article already mentions that only 5 airlines operates the route with the same flight numbers throughout - ie no change of planes. Blahx100 08:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] codesharing

should SAA's codeshare with qantas on JNB-SYD be included?

if so then why not include all of BA's codeshares with Qantas on SIN-PER/MEL/BNE/SYD/FRA or Lufthansa's codeshares with SIA on SIN-PER/SYD/MEL/BNE/FRA/ADL; as well as Virgin's codeshares with SQ for LHR/MAN-SIN-SYD, Air France with Qantas for SIN-SYD, Finnair with QF for SIN-BNE, Air Malta with BA for LHR-SIN-SYD? well you get my point. Blahx100 08:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] United / Air Canada?

since LAN/Aerolíneas Argentinas are listed, and their kangaroo route flights are via South America, shouldn't United/Air Canada be listed too since United flies ORD-LAX-SYD and JFK-SFO-SYD and AC flies YVR-HNL-SYD? Blahx100 08:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

also, Air NewZealand operates NZ1/2 via LAX (LHR-LAX-AKL)Blahx100 08:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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