Talk:Kamen Rider
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[edit] Alternate article
From: Wikipedia:Disambiguation
When a user searches for a particular term, he or she may have something else in mind than what actually appears. In this case, a friendly link to the alternative article is placed at the top. For example, the article Quaoar is about the heavenly body, but it contains a link that reads:
- This article is about the trans-Neptunian object. For the Tongva god, see Quaoar (deity).
In this particular case, I think that people who type "Kamen Rider" are as likely to want to see something else about the series, rather than the original series, and it's rather unfriendly to force them to read the article to find the page with more general information.
ManoaChild 21:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I suppose, but since the original series is connected to the overall franchise, rather than being a seperate entity, having an actual dab line feels like an unnecesary and intrusive self reference. So, the Kamen Rider article should be about the first series. Then in the opening paragraph we say that it began a highly successfull franchise with a link to the page.--Sean|Black 21:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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- I don't see how "self reference" is relevant, since that article is about wikipedia articles that talk about wikipedia. Could you be more specific. ManoaChild 22:09, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- Because it's a meta comment, seperate from the text of the article. It's simply not necessary here, and if the reader is lookng for information about the franchise as opposed to the series, I don't think mentioning it in the intro puts an unnecesary burden on the readers, and is overall better organization.--Sean|Black 23:05, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- I see your point, though I disagree with your priorities. Maybe we can find a compromise. My concern is that users who want the franchise page should be able to find it quickly and easily, with minimal reading. I dislike having the link at the end of the introduction, almost as a side note. What if the link to the franchise was put in the first sentence, not just in the first paragraph? Maybe changing the first sentence to:
- Kamen Rider (仮面ライダー, literally "Masked Rider") was a popular and successful Japanese television series created by Shotaro Ishinomori (石ノ森 章太郎), and the first series in the Kamen Rider franchise.
- ManoaChild 23:29, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- I see your point, though I disagree with your priorities. Maybe we can find a compromise. My concern is that users who want the franchise page should be able to find it quickly and easily, with minimal reading. I dislike having the link at the end of the introduction, almost as a side note. What if the link to the franchise was put in the first sentence, not just in the first paragraph? Maybe changing the first sentence to:
- Because it's a meta comment, seperate from the text of the article. It's simply not necessary here, and if the reader is lookng for information about the franchise as opposed to the series, I don't think mentioning it in the intro puts an unnecesary burden on the readers, and is overall better organization.--Sean|Black 23:05, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- I don't see how "self reference" is relevant, since that article is about wikipedia articles that talk about wikipedia. Could you be more specific. ManoaChild 22:09, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Should there be a dab page?
Does the topic "Kamen Rider" need an actual dab page? My feeling is that the franchise page serves a similar purpose, but I'd like to hear arguments to the contrary. ManoaChild 21:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] KR ratings at the 80's
After Kamen Rider Black RX ended production, the series was put on hold due to poor ratings during the 80's.
Both Kamen Rider BLACK and Kamen Rider BLACK RX reached similar ratings to Metal Heroes series, as stated by this website: [1]. So, the reason for ended the KR series with RX maybe something else than the ratings. Black Condor 04:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Maybe it was because of the failure of the Shin Kamen Rider: a Prologue that was made after RX or maybe because Kamen Rider creator Shotaro Ishinomori didn't want to do another rider show after RX was used for Saban's Masked Rider. Ishinomori himself was reportedly so utterly repulsed by the series, he refused to allow any further American adaptations of his work. Godaiger
- It's a possibility, but both Shin and Saban's Masked Rider was made in the 90's. The article implies that there was no Kamen Rider series in 1989 because of Black and RX's suposedly bad ratings. - Black Condor 04:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
