Talk:Kaisha

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[edit] Pic

Episode guides are supposed to contain spoilers. Furthermore, if the wiki page itself is going to reveal the entire plot what does it matter if the pic is a spoiler? The only time a spoiler shouldn't be uploaded to Wikipedia is if it hasn't aired yet.--CyberGhostface 23:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I understand that spoilers are inherent in the long episode summaries. However you should consider the needs of a casual reader in India who has watched one episode of Season one and is interested in finding out more about the shows production without visiting the episode pages. In peer review of television articles I have read requests that spoilers be avoided earlier in the chain of information - the episode summary's, timeline and character bio's are places where they are unavoidable - in other areas they should be limited to make the article accessible to someone who is not up to date with US airing of episodes. It's just a theory and I'm happy to leave that picture --Opark 77 07:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I would like to state that I find the current picture of Tony in Phil's hospital room to be a completely wrong fit for this episode. I think that a picture of Chris and Julianna would better suit this article. Mrfridays 14:49, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Summary dispute

I've followed the edits yourself and MrFridays have made to the episode summary on Kaisha. I concur that the building destroyed was signposted "Sheepshead Hair Design" in the episode and named as such in the secondary source. While Eaefremov question the validity of the HBO episode summary on MrFridays talk page it is my understanding from wikipedia moderators that the episodes should not be used in and of themselves as a source and secondary sources should be used and cited where possible - the HBO summaries are an official source and no author is given so it is unfair to specualte as to who may have written them.

I agree that MrFridays edit summary's contained some uncivil tone at times but I felt that the content of his editing was more appropriate for the page than many of Eaefremov edits. MrFridays removal of point of view statements is important on this encyclopaedic version of an episode summary. I noticed Eaefremov changed many statements from formal language to a more informal tone similar to language used by character's on the show - for our Sopranos articles we must make a conscious effort to avoid this except when quoting.

I also noticed that Eaefremov rearranged several paragraphs so that they more closely follow the actual structure of the episode - this is how I prefer the summaries to read too. I beleive some others prefer to group the scenes relating to specific plots and/or characters together, which is why they were re-ordered in the first place. --Opark 77 07:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

First of all I should apologize for the antagonistic tone of some of my comments. I have been under a great deal of stress lately and I let it come out in my writing, which is inexcusable. On the topic of the edits, I am glad that Opark77 understands the true nature of what the Episode guides here should be. I feel that the changes I made removed a fair amount of POV as well as some irrelevant and non-factual information. Mrfridays 14:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)