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Here is an interesting news item someone could incorporate into this article [1] . Kingturtle 18:52, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)

From Khulm:

Kabul, city in east central Afghanistan, capital of the country and Kabul Province. Kabul is on the Kabul River, situated at an elevation of about 1800 m (about 5900 ft) making it one of the highest capital cities in the World. The population is around 1 million people. The nation's chief economic and cultural center, it has long been of strategic importance because of its proximity to the Khyber Pass, an important pass in the mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Manufactures of the city include textiles, processed food, chemicals, and wood products. Tajiks are the predominant population group of Kabul, and Pashtuns are an important minority. Kabul University (founded in 1932) had been the country's most important institute of higher education prior to its closure due to war in 1992. The university was the best known in the region in the 1970 and 1980's. The university now is being partially reopened and only a few students are returning. The University needs much reconstruction in order to operate normally.

An ancient community, Kabul rose to prominence in 1504, when it was made the capital of the Moghul Empire by the conqueror Babur. Delhi replaced it as the imperial capital in 1526, but Kabul remained an important Moghul center until it was captured, in 1738, by the Persian ruler Nadir Shah. In 1747 Kabul became part of an independent Afghan state, and in the 1770s it replaced Qandahar as the capital of Afghanistan. It was a focus of British, Persian, and Russian rivalry for control of the Khyber Pass in the 19th century, when it was twice occupied (1839-1842 and 1879-1880) by British troops. The city grew as an industrial center after 1940.

Kabul was occupied by troops of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) in 1979; the USSR withdrew from Afghanistan on Feb. 15, 1989. The city has gone through the toughest and most disastrous civil war in its history between 1992-1996. Over 50,000 people lost their lives during the Mujahideen infightings on the streets of Kabul in 1992-1996 period. The city has been under the control of the Taliban government since 1996 and ended in 2001. The Northern Alliance took over the city as the Taliban withdrew from Kabul and retreated southwards. The fate of the city is yet to be known. The role of UN and World community is important in bringing a stable government in Kabul.

Infrastructures such as roads and traffic system, telephone system, electricity, water sanitation, renovation of buildings are in shambles and the need for reconstruction is very much needed to bring back the city of Kabul to a better place for living. http://www.afghan-network.net/Culture/kabul.html

removed as it seems to be about Kabul. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Khulm. Andrewa 06:23, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Total Revamp

I'm gonna try and totally revamp the page as the information provided is both out of order and seriously lacks images. I'm still learning how to use images on wikipedia and I have a huge number of photos myself. Let me see what can be done. For the moment I just added one picture. More coming probably before Thursday.

P.S. Sorry if I'm messing up a bit. I'm a newbie ;) Casimiri 20:16, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Land area

Does anybody know the land area of the city proper of Kabul? Thanks. Polaron 00:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindi

Someone has been adding the Hindi translation of Kabul and someone keeps taking it out. I have no stance on whether or not it should be in the article but perhaps we discuss it here before we start an edit war. --MarkBuckles 22:12, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kabul big catching up to do

Casimiri...you took very long time...so I decided to do your work. I hope you don't mind me taking couple of your pictures and placing them on the Kabul article? well...I'm sure you don't mind but I wanted to explain this so you know. I would like to see more latest images of interesting places added to the tourism and sightseeing section. The ones I'm hoping to find should be related to the Gardens in Kabul. The reason is that most of the city is under construction so it looks bad to see gray cement buildings with people doing construction work...not good. But trees, flowers, people just enjoying their selves in the famouse parks would be good to show in the tourism section. NisarKand 8:13 AM, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kabul City

User:Ariana310, I noticed that you are confused here. This article is about the city Kabul, NOT ABOUT Kabul Province. Therefore, your recent-added statements are refering to the Province of Kabul, not to the city of Kabul. Please try to understand between the city of Kabul and the Province of Kabul. Your statements should be removed from this article and added to the article Kabul Province. Thanx! Pashtun Nov. 28, 2006

No, in fact, Kabulistan refers to the old city of Kabul. The term "province" is a new Political and Administrative term. The case of Kabulistan is in a right article. Ariana310 00:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

You've indicated lots of statements without any reliable sources. You've also indicated that Kapisa, Peshawar, Chitral and Nurestan were all included in the city of Kabul. That's like saying Connecticut, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington DC were all included in the vicinity of New York City at once. Again, you are confused between the city of Kabul and Kabul Province. This article is ONLY about the Kabul City and has nothing to do with the Province of Kabul. I guess you are not willing to learn or acknowledge anything I say to you. So therefore, I will go find administrators so that they can solve this dispute here. Pashtun Nov. 28, 2006

I will soon provide sources for each point that I have written, at the moment I am busy with my exams at university. I already told you that the Kabul Province is a new Administrated and Political section within the new government of Afghanistan, or even let's take it since 1919. So that's the reason that I did no mention Kabulistan in that article.
Moreover, if you read the historical books, you observe it directly that Kabulistan was used to attribute for a region covering a vast territory. I will soon provide you the sources about Kabulistan, Kabulshahan or Ratbelshahan, etc.
As for resolving the discussion, if you really think that the only way to come to an agreement would be the interference of an Administrator instead of waiting to see my arguments and sources, then you are free for it. Thank you Ariana310 13:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


I just added two sources: one for the term Kabulistan and another in which it shows that Kabul covered a larger region, you can see in that book that the author even talks about Peshawar under the title of Kabul. Ariana310 13:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

I added the following sources for what I wrote in the article:

  • In most of the historical books as well as the Dari (Persian) literature books, the word Kabulistan has been used HERE Just in the beginning, it has been mentioned the definition of Kabulistan.
  • Kabulistan comprised cities like Kapisa (to the north) and Peshawar (to the south) HERE This is an old book. The author talks about Peshawar under the section of Kabul, and takes Peshawar as part of Kabulistan. Even he has given the title as the country of Kabulistan.
  • From the Memoirs of Babur: Although Bajour, Sawād, Pershāwer, and Hashnaghar* originally belonged to Kābul; yet at the present date some of these districts have been desolated, and others of them entirely occupied by the tribes of Afghans, so that they can no longer be properly regarded as provinces. HERE

Here are other sources for my other points, but I didn't put them in the article because they weren't direct:

  • From the end of 6th century until the Islamic invasion in late 7th century, Kabulistan had its own kingdom called Kabulshahan or Ratbelshahan. Here It says: the ancient Kabul city walls constructed on the ridges of the Asamaii and Shair Darwaza mountains during the reign of Kabul Shahan against Arab invasion
  • This article gives a good definition: Arabs in Afghanistan
  • Another article from PashtunFoundation.org CHECK HERE
  • Article from afghanan.net about Pashtuns HERE

Now, I would like to ask you to remove the TotallyDisputed Tag. I did not remove it, despite that I provided sources for each point that I wrote, and let it for you as you yourself added the tag. Thank you Ariana310 18:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Sweety, I'm not at a war with you, just trying to help you as much as I can. Almost everyone get confused with Kabul city and Kabul Province, so that's not a big thing. I am explaining to you that Kabulistan does not mean city. It could've been a name of a country, state, nation, county, province, anything except a city. This article is only limited to the city of Kabul. If you were looking from the sky, and you focused only on the city limits of Kabul and writing an article about it, then I'm sure you would not be mentioning far away place from Kabul city. You've even inluded or mentioned names of places as faraway as Peshawar in Pakistan, as if Peshawar was once the other end of Kabul city. LOL, that's just crazy. It's something like 8 hours drive from Kabul city to Peshawar city, with nothing but deserts and mountains in between. What you want to say is that Kabul once belonged to a place called Kabulistan. That makes more sense, and there is no need to try to explain how huge Kabulistan was because that has nothing to do with the city of Kabul. You may add more about Kabulistan into the article of Kabul Province. I will try to help you with this but give me some time because I am also busy on other things. About the total dispute, what's the big deal if it's there, let others join our discussion here. By the way, I hope you pass your exam. Pashtun Nov. 29, 2006


"Sweety"?!!.....Never mind ! So the only disputed point for you is the case of Kabulistan. And the tag of totally disputed is only for that? Can't you tolerate 4 lines about Kabulistan in the article of Kabul? Here are my reasons for adding Kabulistan in Kabul article:
  • This article (Kabul) only deals with Kabul, nothing has been fixed as Kabul City or Kabul Province. It (Kabul) is a general article about Kabul, that's all.
  • Kabul Province is a new Administration and Political division within the new government of Afghanistan. It only deals with today's province of Kabul.
  • The history about Kabul has been written in the article of Kabul and not in Kabul Province. So since the full history is in the article of Kabul, it would be appropriate to add it in Kabul article.
If you copy all the history related to Kabul to the article of Kabul Province and take all the related responsibility, then I will remove the Kabulistan paragraph from the article of Kabul. ::Thank you Ariana310 07:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone here know the ethnic compostion of Kabul? Does it have a definate majority? Tajiki

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